need help!!spark plug is black....

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DanielMaia

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That means that are running rich

Remove de slide of carb, and put the c-clip one notch upper, to decrease teh ammount of fuel to the same ammount of air
 

2door

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What he was trying to tell you was that a black, oily plug indicates a fuel rich condition. The first step to correct this is to move the 'c' clip on the needle valve up a notch. If you've never had the carburetor apart let us know and we'll go into more details. There is a lot of information here on carburetors and how to set them up.
Tom
 

bronson9

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I'm on my first build having the same problem..
I tried these mixes in this order since building my bike 2 weeks ago and it resulted in a black oily plug..

16:1,
moved e-clip up one notch and changed to 24:1
moved e-clip down one notch from the stock middle position at 34:1

all three times the engine has started up good and easy on the new plugs (ngk bp6hs) running best on the 24:1, 34:1 mixes but after a ride and stop or two on all 3 mixes I would be soon stranded with a fouled plug or a bogged out motor that wouldn't start or fire. The plug has been oily and black all 3 times.. I think i'm not moving the carb e-clip on the needle around right..any help ?

tomorrow i'm going to to try 40:1 at 1 notch above stock position on the carb needle..

it will start and run for sure.. but will run once i park it a bit? ha *crosses fingers*
 

BarelyAWake

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Ballpark setup for the average motor is usually 32:1 with a quality non-synthetic oil and the clip on the second notch down from the top (top being not the pointy end) & remember to always recheck plug color - it knows far better what your particular engine needs than we do lol
 

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Bikeguy Joe

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Also, the leaner your mix (gas to oil) the richer it becomes (air to fuel).

Run 32:1 and then start playing with the C clip. Move it up two notches and see what you get, just remember to check the plug.
 

Redpx

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How do you know if it is synthetic 2 cycle oil or not? I have bought two different brands of 2 cycle oil and neither one states if it is or is not synthetic.
 

GSU

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I have a similar question. I have a SBP expansion chamber on my gt5 and when I looked at the plug today after a ride it was black, almost burnt looking. It is the stock plug and I already have moved the clip to the top setting. Also around the exhaust gasket it is slightly leaking black sludge. What is causing this? is my exhaust restricted?
 

DaveC

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What's your oil:fuel ratio? If your running the suggested 16:1 that's waaaaay too much oil. I can see using that ratio with the crap-based oil elsewhere in the world, not many countries have the same oil standards that we and other advanced countries have. 24:1 for the break-in period then 32-40:1 with a good synthetic. Find an oil brand you can get all the time, it's generally considered not good to change oils. The big oil companies all have a synthetic 2 stroke oil so that's not a real problem. Heck, if the large department stores in your area have a chainsaw section, like Fred Meyers does, then you can get Poulan, Husqvarna, Stil and other chainsaw motor oil. Look at the lable for an oil thats formulated for air-cooled motors. They run hotter than water-cooled motors and need a different formulation. That's why I suggest chainsaw oil, if you can get the same stuff all the time.

For a broke-in motor some here are using OPTI 100 which is mixed at up to 100:1, a little thin for this old racer. I ran Super Kart and the saying was if you didn't leave at least a thin stream of smoke there wasn't enough oil in your mix. :)

Adding to this, junk the stock plug. God only knows the heat range on that thing in reality. Cold weather I use a B5HS, hot a B6HS NGK plug. Do not get a BP5HS or BP6HS NGK plug. Sometimes the extended tip plugs can be closed by contact with the piston.
 
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