Carb. flooding issue (any help please....)

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mapbike

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I've got a pretty new engine doesnt have but an hour or so on it and I it just isnt reving up like it should, (PROBLEM) it starts choking down a little so I twist the throttle a bit and it would clear up a little but would choke down at about 1/2 throttle, I can see gas bubbling out of the carb vent so I turn the gas valve off at the tank and as soon as the head pressure from the tank goes down it runs like a top, revs great idles great and will take off and run great overall until I turn the gas valve back on, then it will start flooding down again, I took carb off and bowl off, I noticed that the NTTC carb's have a free floating float unattached to the arm that works the needle in the seat, being that it runs ok at low rpm and not when it is rev'd up, I have come to the conclusion that because of the fairly harsh vibration that the engine has it is causing the float to bounce up and down in the float bowl causing the unwanted extra amount of fuel to be allowed into the float bowl which is the cause of it flooding when it revs up but runns OK under idling conditions. I put 2 different brand new carbs on the engine with the same results, they both run great until the engine is rev'd up then they both will start spitting a little fuel out of the carb. vent and flooding the engine down. anyone have any ideas how to resolve this problem other than just getting a better carb....? sorry so long just wanted to make issue very clear, and hopefully answer as many questions as possible about what I have done so far. Thanks...... in advance,
 

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vibration/bumps shouldn't be a problem at all. i hit bumps all day, jump speedbumps, etc.

the obvious answer would be that the plastic float has a crack somewhere and is filling with fuel, thus, not "floating," but since you checked and switched carbs, that's doubtful.

the only other thing i can think of is that your carb isn't level.

is it?
 

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yes it's pretty level, no major angle if any, I'm thinking that needle and seat are not holding in either carb. as long as the fuel is shut off to carb. where there is no head pressure from tank it runs fine but as soon as the fuel vale is turned on it will start to flood down with-in a few seconds. just getting to much gas. I guess I need to remove the carb. and take the needle out and make sure that it is sealing of properly. its just odd to me that it run as long as there is no head pressure on th e carb from the tank
 

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Well, I'm going out to take a carb apart and check the needle & seat, I will check all gaskets, and make sure carb. is sealing between itself and the intake tube, this has got to be a simple fix, just odd to me that I am getting the same results from 2 different carbs. ???? ):~/
 

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when you're turning your fuel off at the tank, the carb is probably using up the gas in the float bowl, it shouldn't have any pressure unless your gas cap's not venting.

which actually, could be the problem.

and what do you mean by "carb vent?"
 

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what I mean by carb. vent is the spring loaded valve that is on the same side of the carb as the idle screw, "vent" may not be the correct discription but I am calling it that for lack of knowing anything else to call it, when my engine starts to flood down and I rev it up a little after turning the fuel valve to the off position, fuel will come from that "as I would say Vent", once the fuel is shut off at the tank and the fuel level in the bowl dropps a little fuel stops come out at the "vent" and the engine starts to run like it should, you confirmed something I was also thinking a bit ago about the tank cap not venting, I will loosen it in the morning and start it up and see if there is a difference, if so I would say problem found and then I will go from there at getting it venting again. If you think of anything else please let me know, Thank you for the help and thoughts...
 

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It's got to be a venting issue, I just cant see both of the new carbs I have, having the same problem, it will be resolved tomorrow. pressure in tank over powering the floats ability to keep the needle sealed off in the needle seat.
 
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do you mean the little button lookin' thing? that's the "tickler." you press that down before you start your bike and it pushes the float down, making fuel go into the carb, for a richer situation when you start the bike.

my bike's modified and has way too much compression, and i have to hold that button down till fuel drips out to start it. otherwise i'm pedaling a block or so.

but with your problem, i can't see how fuel would flow up and actually come out of the tickler (vent.)

it could be as simple as the float height isn't correct. take a look at the tabs... wait. if it does the same with 2 different carbs, i'm going with the tank not venting. vapor lock.

i'm drunk now, so let me know how it works after you tried what you said you were gonna do.
 

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vibration/bumps shouldn't be a problem at all. i hit bumps all day, jump speedbumps, etc.

the obvious answer would be that the plastic float has a crack somewhere and is filling with fuel, thus, not "floating," but since you checked and switched carbs, that's doubtful.

the only other thing i can think of is that your carb isn't level.

is it?
A dab of super gluem workd wonders and the gas didnt break it down on my cracked float
 

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"i can't see how fuel would flow up and actually come out of the tickler (vent.)"




Liquid seeks its own level, so as long as the source "Your gas tank" is higher than the vent "carb air filter" it will flow out of it. That is until you get that square pointy check valve to seat proper like
 
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mapbike

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jumpa


Just wanted to let you know in case you had not noticed that these post on the flooding issue were started by me March 14, 2010, almost 2 years ago, problem was quickly solved, what I thought was my flooding issue was actually the fact that I needed to rejet my carb. (solder jet & redrill) and move the clip up 1 notch on the metering rod.

Just letting you know this is a long time back resolved issue so you don't waste your time here.

Thanks for the reply though.

Peace, map


"i can't see how fuel would flow up and actually come out of the tickler (vent.)"




Liquid seeks its own level, so as long as the source "Your gas tank" is higher than the vent "carb air filter" it will flow out of it. That is until you get that square pointy check valve to seat proper like
 

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I have no leaking in my carb, but found that the carb I got does not possibly like using a foam airfilter, it has a few miss at high speed but OK at idle. I can set the point gap and almost get it perfect, but will be trying a paper airfilter that is less restrictive and see if it does the trick. This is a Briggs 3hp and it works fine with another vacuject carb that sucks gas up from tank below, the newer one is with a float and tank above.

Relating to what your situation is with leaking fuel, I read that venting gas cap is not at fault and was checked. True a venting cap malfunctioning that causes pressure build up in the tank does have more than gravity flow pressure and would have been a problem as the float needle valve will not seal in the seat. Also with too high a gas tank height, but I don’t think that that is an issue. If you can place another tank or the one you have at a level where the outflow is even with the input of the carb inlet, then that would be the minimum height and could be tried to test to see if tank height is too high.

I thought for a moment that the height of gas tank if there is no leaking would mean then there is no effect on the richness of the mixture since the float is working. That is because the float height sets the level of gas in the bowl which is the determining pressure through the jets. If there are adjustment to the jets then that can alter the richness further. My carb has no adjustment valves and the float I would possible look to adjust the height, but I’m guessing it is fine and it also may not be adjustable as most cheap ones are not. It has been a year and a half I've had this new carn that I just recently had tried on the engine and I know it is spotless clean. I had the bowl off and seen the float but had not actually looked to see if there was a metal tab that was adjustable to tweak.

Now to relate this to your situation when you shut off the gas and it stops leaking, then there is still gas left in the bowl and you get to running the engine any speed from idle to full throttle till the gas runs out in the bowl. That I understand was mentioned by Bairdco and agree with that point. Atleast then you know the carb can run the engine fine and fixing the leak is what your zoneing in on. You have two of these carbs with the same problem is somewhat disturbing to me, but you if can check on date codes if there are codes and if there near or match each other, maybe the carbs made with defect.

I have some links from Briggs site and the PDF file mentions things about carb issues and floats that I found interesting. Only did I find one good video on adjusting a float for a Briggs engine and it was a racing engine carb that has two floats on each side of an axle of sort that controls the valve.

There are tips on carb problems and the PDF link which I also added below in the the next link:

http://www.briggsandstratton.com/support/frequently-asked-questions/Carburetor%20problem%20troubleshooting/?body_0$tbKeyword=float+adjustment

The PDF below with some good details of carbs with floats (Carburetion Troubleshooting
Quick Reference Guide):

http://www.briggsandstratton.com/su...~/media/77782F652D3E4328B82988841A4DCD32.ashx

Setting the Float Height on your Walbro PZ Carburetor video on Yutube:

This video has clear information to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnyrRtaA2Wo


******************* STRIKE OUT BELOW..... YOU ALREADY SOLVED ISSUE ON CARB*****************************

though it is nice to know you have a quite advanced carb that has notches to adjust float!

I read about soldering a redrilling jet... I suppose if you cannot get a jet or they don't make anymore that is using the old noodle... good for you!

*** delete --> Like to know what turns up and how it gets fixed from leaking and running right.

MT
 
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