48/49cc HT bicycle engine problem

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Das Chicken

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This all started back when i was reading this: http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=36334

So after reading up on that forum, i decided to change out my piston pin bearing (by this time, my bike had a little more than 500 miles). So i bought this bearing:http://www.ebay.com/itm/130572852728...84.m1423.l2649
It turns out that this bearing does not fit in the 48/9s, the bearing was too wide to fit in between the piston pin bosses, so i ground out the bosses a little, and got it to fit with a little bit of free play. But the second problem (big one) was that the bearing did not fit inside the CONNECTING ROD! :-|| So i froze the bearing, and heated the con rod, (with dad's help) and ended up turning it into an oval (the bearing). Now is a good time to mention that the old bearing was only 12mm wide, and the piston pin bosses were 15mm! Along with that, i had (as above mentioned) ground out the bosses a little, so i didn't want to reuse the old bearing, or piston and cylinder. So i got a new cylinder, piston (and rings of course), piston pin, and bearing for the thing. The cylinder looked a little different to the old one, much better casting, and was round, compared to the sharp edged old one. The piston was the same, but the piston pin and rod were much different to the old one. The new rod was actually too long for the piston :-|| , But...the new bearing was the same style as the old one, and fit PERFECTLY! dance1 So i ended up using the old rod, which had started to rust. ;( It should be worth mentioning that i tore the intake gasket a little when i was reassembling the engine. But i tested it for leaks with WD-40, and the idle speed didn't change. So when i got the thing all together, i gasses it up with 24:1 echo gas, and started it. It started very easily compared to the first time i ever ran the engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVIE9D3InUg Even though the first time i started my little ****er i was running 16:1 liquid cooled engine oil.

But when it started, it was running pretty badly, misfiring, wouldn't idle without turning the idle adjuster (throttle screw thingy on top of carb) out ALOT, it was practically falling out. It should be worth mentioning that i turned the engine over for 5-6 seconds without the spark plug cap attached accidentally. I mistook this behavior as break in behavior and rode it for a little bit. After about 40 miles, it was still doing this.
The engine had lost about 30% of it's power, misfired badly, and acted like it was either getting too much fuel, or not a strong enough spark. So i mentioned this problem to my dad, and he said to put the old parts back on and the problem would most likely go away. It's best to listen to the old man's advice isn't it? Right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 After about 3-4 hours of work spread out over 3 days, and a torn cylinder base gasket (which i patched up with gasket maker), i finally got it back together. And......IT STILL HAD THE SAME PROBLEM, WTF! :-|| I did keep the new bearing on because i saw no reason to put the old one back on. So i started troubleshooting it, i tried ALL FIVE different mixture clip positions with both the stock plug and a NGK B7HS, but to no avail. So next i figured the ignition system was at fault, and got a new CDI. Im going to let you guess what happened next, i'll even throw in some multiple choice answers to make it easier. Now remember class, no talking and no looking at anyone else's answers.



A. It didn't change anything

B. It didn't change anything and i strapped it to a rocket headed to Chernobyl

C. It didn't change anything and i watched slender to calm down

D. I like cereal

E. ****

F. The throttle stuck on full, and that was just enough to keep the engine idling

G. All of the above



If you answered G....YOU'RE WRONG! I DON'T LIKE CEREAL THAT MUCH! XD
Ok back to being serious-ish. The only thing that changed was that the zip-ties that i normally use to hold my old CDI on didn't go all the way around. So i had to get creative with duct tape and two zip-ties linked together, which is far inferior to the original CDI mount and allows the CDI to move much easier than before. So me and my dad checked the wiring, and i think one or two things weren't what they were supposed to be, but we might have tested it wrong. So i tested the spark, and it seemed okay, it was clearly visible, but probably not running at maximum capacity. The F***er even shocked me! That reminds me of when the kill switch fell off of my 1993 honda z50r, and i got shocked when i reached for it, and instead contacted two wires. Well anyways, i cleaned the carburetor, cleaned the muffler, took the air filter off, and diluted the oil. The only thing that noticeably helped, was the air filter, and that just gave it a little more power. Here is a video of what it is doing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQRlQhsyPdI
 

Venice Motor Bikes

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this is seriously one of those times when Bike Guy Joe's phrase applies... "If it ain't broke, & you mess with it long enough, it will be"! :(
 

cmanns

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

What did you dillute the oil too?

On my lil 33cc 2 stroke, echo at 32~:1 was rough, but your braking in. Prob should run a cheap premix at 24:1 then move up slowly and then try echo at like 40-50:1 or Opti2, all your choice which brand. I was told Echo is pretty high qual, it's also 50:1 bottles usually cause their motors are designed for it.

I put it more at 45:1 or so (Engine manual says run 32:1 ashy cheap premix, or 40:1 (roughly) for high quality synthetic/blends.) so I upped it roughly 40-45, engine cleared out a bit more, now mine wasn't being broken in, otherwise I'd try to find cheaper premix. Now I'm running craftsman non synthetic but looks like it, it actually smokes lil puffs now at 40:1~

You ran regular car oil at 16:1 in the first run? :X

"If it ain't broke, & you mess with it long enough, it will be" So true!^

btw nice Rock Hopper build :)
 

Das Chicken

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this is seriously one of those times when Bike Guy Joe's phrase applies... "If it ain't broke, & you mess with it long enough, it will be"! :(
I wouldn't consider you a jerk for saying that, but i just couldn't resist trying to replace a horribly designed part with a better one.
 

Das Chicken

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

piston in backwards?
would be my guess.
or crankcase leaking.
The piston being in backwards would be extremely unlikely, since it and the cylinder have a matching pair of massive scrapes on them. I'll try testing the case for leaks though.
 

Das Chicken

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

What did you dillute the oil too?

On my lil 33cc 2 stroke, echo at 32~:1 was rough, but your braking in. Prob should run a cheap premix at 24:1 then move up slowly and then try echo at like 40-50:1 or Opti2, all your choice which brand. I was told Echo is pretty high qual, it's also 50:1 bottles usually cause their motors are designed for it.

I put it more at 45:1 or so (Engine manual says run 32:1 ashy cheap premix, or 40:1 (roughly) for high quality synthetic/blends.) so I upped it roughly 40-45, engine cleared out a bit more, now mine wasn't being broken in, otherwise I'd try to find cheaper premix. Now I'm running craftsman non synthetic but looks like it, it actually smokes lil puffs now at 40:1~

You ran regular car oil at 16:1 in the first run? :X

"If it ain't broke, & you mess with it long enough, it will be" So true!^

btw nice Rock Hopper build :)
I didn't do any precise dilution, i just dumped some extra gas in and shook it up, i would guess that the ratio would have been around 34:1 or 42:1.
No i did not run car (4 stroke) oil at 16:1, i used liquid cooled two stroke (outboard motor) oil.
 

Das Chicken

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

I just tried testing for leaks today with WD 40, no leaks that i could find. I'm running out of ideas, ill try adjusting the float level, see if that does anything, if not, new carb. If that doesn't work, that will just be one more reason to get my four stroke built faster. I'm done with Chinese two strokes.
 

Das Chicken

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Re: 48/49cc HT problem

Got a new carb a few days ago. That made it ALOT better! The bike has all of it's lost power back, and only pops when i'm using light throttle, but that is normal two stroke behavior. When i was adjusting the mixture on the new carb, i noticed that the new needle jet had a nice long sharpish point, the one on my old carb was VERY worn out comparatively. I might get a picture to compare, or i might not, i'm lazy. ;) I'll try and do a top speed run on the bike now that i know of a road that has a 35 mph speed limit. I will be wearing safety gear, since i ride dirt-bikes, and i WILL get it on film.