Winter Riding

And from Chicago Bike Winter -- Tips for Winter Biking Winter biking essentials:

* Willingness
* Waterproof, wind proof outer jacket (does not need to be insulated--you'll generate plenty of warmth)
* Warm, waterproof glove/mitten combos that do not compromise your dexterity
* Warm, waterproof shoe/boots with warm socks and room for toe wiggling
* Warm, but thin head covering that will fit under your helmet and protect your ears
* Wicking base layers, like silk or synthetics
* Weekly chain lubing
* Worn brake pad replacement
* White headlight, red backlight and reflective tape. (OK, folks get by without these, but I think they help a lot with visibility)

This I relate more to from my experience though I must admit the cold I have seen even in Germany is not as bad as Chicago's winter. Mainly I give this for those truly interested in being safe in the extremes. Layering of clothes is important if you are doing physical work in cold or hot. I did not strip down to ride in thew heat of Arizona but used wool jersey and a thin long sleeve shirt over. The helmet is shade. For cold you need more layers but wool could be the close to skin layer as it wicks moisture away and allows you to maintain body heat more easily. Same for hot. I do love my out doors and can be comfortable in a variety of conditions and would not dream of not getting out in the elements just because some small discomfort is involved.

when I lived in Niagara falls, Ont...I commuted to work all year long on my full-suspension mtn bike
it IS a challenge riding in a snow storm, but fun at the same time
your brakes don't work as well when wet tho

we dont have winter here but while in michigan i learned clothing is most important thing. you cannot beat fleece. also sweat pants under your jeans makes a huge difference. as far as engines i had both a 2 and 4 stroke and both worked well. not sure on friction or chain but my thought is with the tires having snow stick to them chain would be best

I do like my Carhart blizzard suite! We used to have a guy on here that commuted up in Erie Pa. on a 2 stroker. He seemed to do ok I think he used sheet metal screws for studs in his tires. Beats the heck outa walking LOL! His went by Riding Rich he is no longer a member but his posts are still here http://motorbicycling.com/showthread.php?t=13625

lennyharp said:

And from Chicago Bike Winter -- Tips for Winter Biking Winter biking essentials:

* Willingness
* Waterproof, wind proof outer jacket (does not need to be insulated--you'll generate plenty of warmth)
* Warm, waterproof glove/mitten combos that do not compromise your dexterity
* Warm, waterproof shoe/boots with warm socks and room for toe wiggling
* Warm, but thin head covering that will fit under your helmet and protect your ears
* Wicking base layers, like silk or synthetics
* Weekly chain lubing
* Worn brake pad replacement
* White headlight, red backlight and reflective tape. (OK, folks get by without these, but I think they help a lot with visibility)

This I relate more to from my experience though I must admit the cold I have seen even in Germany is not as bad as Chicago's winter. Mainly I give this for those truly interested in being safe in the extremes. Layering of clothes is important if you are doing physical work in cold or hot. I did not strip down to ride in thew heat of Arizona but used wool jersey and a thin long sleeve shirt over. The helmet is shade. For cold you need more layers but wool could be the close to skin layer as it wicks moisture away and allows you to maintain body heat more easily. Same for hot. I do love my out doors and can be comfortable in a variety of conditions and would not dream of not getting out in the elements just because some small discomfort is involved.

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I couldn't agree more!!
the winters here are killer! the only time I ride in the winter is when the roads are semi-clear... NO TRACTION what so ever in the snow (I have not tried the studded tires though) but if you can stand the cold its very do able! these lil engines love the cold air! I just change my spark plug and jet size when the weather changes that much..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTKXZzAS5NY&feature=player_embedded

I would say this group of guys has the right idea

littletinman said:

Also, what is better for winter/cold: Friction or chain, and four stroke or two stroke.

Thanks!

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I don't think studded tires would work very well on a friction drive and the fact when the tire is wet the roller can spin much easier and chew up the tire

littletinman said:

Anyone got any updates on riding in the snow? Think of buying a commuter car, but if there isn't any issues riding in the snow/freezing cold, I'm planning on just motorized bicycle riding.

Also, what is better for winter/cold: Friction or chain, and four stroke or two stroke.

Thanks!

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I'm an all season commuter... it all started as a bet years ago, that I couldn't ride an MB year-round as a daily driver here in Maine & not only did I obv win that bet, I've never stopped as it's so much fun.

I mostly agree with the posted quote from "Chicago Bike Tips for Winter Biking" - particularly the importance of lighting as not only are the days quite short, adverse conditions such as dark, overcast conditions, sleet & snow make visibility an issue (cars seeing you)... but "Weekly chain lubing & Worn brake pad replacement" might be understated lol

There's a bit of a catch, an issue overlooked & that's corrosion. Rock salt is bad enough but many areas are adding calcium chloride to the deicing mix as well & it's a brutal devil's brew indeed. If you're riding in it, you'll need to relube every moving part every two to three days & even still the components will deteriorate, doesn't matter how careful you are or what it's made of - steel, aluminum, w/e. Simply put - don't ride anything you value in that caustic slurry, build a winter beater instead.

Here's some pics of my faithful ol' beater, note the cassette in the 2nd pic - while I lube every three days or so during winter riding you can see the effects of corrosion. It wasn't that bad when I pulled the wheel off the bike but after just a month or so hanging on the wall (unrinsed) the corrosion has really taken it's toll & there's almost no oily residue left. The 3rd & 4th pics show the massive increase in rim wear from using the brakes in wet/sandy/salty conditions & lesson learned? I'll not use anything other than disc or drum brakes from now on. The last pic was taken right before I "retired" that bike... it's a lil hard to see in the pic, but after years of winter abuse pretty much every component is corroded & unserviceable - while it still runs well, it'd simply be a waste of money to repair/replace all the worn & crusty bits, it's far cheaper to just build another (those are my summer tires on it BTW);



Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to dissuade you - winter riding is not only feasible it's a lot of fun. The bike pictured was rode hard & put away wet (literally) for years & it's got over 10,000 miles on it, a ridiculous amount of use for any bike regardless of conditions - I defo got me pennies worth out of it lol, but still I figured I'd mention the downside.

Insofar as gear - I'm not fancy, I don't use studded tires as I've found they don't make enough of a difference to be really worth the expense of buying them or the effort of making some. I'm sure folks will disagree & defo to each their own - but in my experience slightly aired-down knobbies with lots of little but tall lugs work equally well. It seems that if there's snow & slush there's no difference in grip as studs are for ice & if it's ice (glare/black ice) there's just not enough weight on the bike for the studs to be truly effective, particularly the smaller, factory studs. With DIY studs you can ofc make "monster" ones but the wear rate is problematic given they're not carbides & you'll be riding at speed on dry pavement a lot regardless of snow coverage as they will plow, eventually *shrug* If you can get a set of studdeds cheap, don't care about the hundred dollars in tires aone or are willing to make your own defo go for it - but don't expect yer bike to turn into spiderman is all lol

Riding gear? Just my normal work clothes, supple leather gloves, face guard/scarf, hiking boots & a windproof/waterproof jacket. When it's really, really cold I'll wear my rain gear over that - but I try to avoid "true" winter gear as much as possible & defo avoid bulky layers as you are riding in very technical & tricky conditions and you need to retain as much dexterity as you can.

As for "Friction or chain, and four stroke or two stroke" unfortunately you've really no choice, as mentioned by others friction drives would be helpless in such conditions as would belt - heck even the "friction" of rim brakes becomes highly questionable as they load up with wet snow & ice. Two vs four stroke is completely up to you though - both are equally well suited and don't need any modification whatsoever for winter riding, save perhaps guarding the air filter from the inevitable spray...

Whatever you choose, it'll be a ton of fun & that's a fact heh