Yer right about getting used to them Tom, But now, I cant hardly ride a bike unless it has them. I can't ride all bent over and reaching for the bars cafe style. Its much easier on the back to sit up straight on the seat. Or maybe I'm just getting old. (Naw, THAT cant be it, I'm only 60.) I'll still be riding when I'm 80 if the universe lets me live that long.