Thanks everyone for the kind words. Think I'm going to start off with a cheapy cruzzer bike from wally world and get a basic engine kit and start there. Try that and get a feel for what this is all about. Then we'll get out the machine tools and grinders, welders and come up with a design of our owen. When I say owen, I'm trying to find something my 14yr old son and I could do together. Thats if I can put him away from his X-box.....Lol. I would just like him to see that you can actually build something from scratch with out having to buy it. Use your head a little, trying to come up with something outside the box. Kinda told him my plan here and he and my wife think I'm off my rocker, but this isn't first time they have thought that. Thats how we ended up with a basement full of machine tools.