Viruses in my other computer

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Patr1ck

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My other computer repeatedly gets viruses. Even after reformatting and reinstalling everything I still get the same ones over and over again. Its like they never leave the computer. Are viruses only on the hard drive and if I get another hard drive would I be running good again?

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BarelyAWake

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(assuming you have Windows)

There should be no difference between a fully reformatted drive and a new one (other than wear and tear ofc) as a format erases all data. So it's your browsing habits & lack of adequate security that is prolly the problem... but no worries, it's easy to fix for free.

As you should NEVER run multiple anti-virals, uninstall ALL security software completely. As some... less than scrupulous software manufacturers don't include an uninstall option and sometimes even your OS fails at removing unwanted programs, you may need a utility program to help with this. TuneUp Utilities is an excellent choice for this, even though it's a trial version (expires) it offers full functionality and unlike some other variants, it won't harm your computer even with it's automatic settings. It's "One Click" maintenance does a pretty good job as well.

Antiviral software is much like any other product, you don't necessarily get what you pay for (particularly true if you don't pay for it lol) and just because it's popular doesn't mean it works well - Norton & McAfee are both the most common and they BOTH are amongst the worst. Not only do they not provide adequate security - they both use "false flag" tactics, alerting a threat that doesn't exist to promote their software, with the theory that if you see more alerts - you'll think it must be better than the competition.

If you wish to pay for some of the best protection, ESET Antivirus is without a doubt some of the most respected security software available, it also has low resource demands so it won't bog down your system. If you don't wish to pay for a subscription, avast! Free Antivirus is an excellent, easy to use & comprehensive security suite. You'll only need to "register" it by submitting an email address - that doesn't even need be your own. A tip though - it's sponsored by Google and it'll want you to install various Google accessories, don't do it - just uncheck those options, it's unneeded bloatware.

The best protection is prevention, Windows Internet Explorer is riddled with security vulnerabilities and allows no real customization options - Mozilla Firefox is simply a far better browser for many reasons, one of which is it's customization via "plug-ins" and while you don't want to bog down your browser with too many (around 6 - 10 plug-ins, depending on what they are), the following are critical for secure browsing and have the added benefit of providing an ad-free internet experience;

Adblock Plus: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865/ works by "blacklists" of known spammer/advertisers - as the name would imply, it "blocks" the majority of annoying & potentially dangerous advertisements. After install you'll see a small "stop sign" in the top right hand corner of Firefox, should you ever wish to allow an ad or block one that got through - right click it for options.

NoScript: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722/ - blocks all scripts, plug-ins, and other codes that could be used to attack your system, somewhat awkward at first you'll need to go to the bottom right hand corner of Firefox and right click the NoScript icon to allow trusted sites, but after a bit of use it's far less intrusive as it "remembers" your settings. As "scripts" are the MOST common source of malware - it's critical to prevent unauthorized scripts and Internet Explorer simply doesn't let you do that.


Using the above - I've had my home systems up and running, connected to the internet and active 24hrs a day for over three years with no issues, so I hope this helps ;)
 
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Patr1ck

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Thanks guys for the input. That was quite a bit of typing you did there Barely. Thank you too. I was wondering about the writing zeros thing. I dont know if I trust free programs to do what they are supposed to do though. Is the hard drive the place inside the computer where the viruses reside? Any other areas for them to hide inside the computer. I found an inexpensive, yet better than the existing one replacement hard drive that Im considering, if it will fix the problem. I bought this computer brand new in 2004 and since that time there has only been a period of 4 consistent weeks when it operated properly. I tried Authenticum, Mcafee, Windows Live One Care and Windows Security Essentials. The last round of nasties made the virus protection program unaccessible and completely shut it down, among other things. My new computer has a drive zeroing program in it but, I dont know if I can hook it to the bad computer and zero the bad drive while its in the tower of the bad computer. If not Im pretty much waiving the white flag on the old drive.

Pat
 

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From my understanding, the hard drive is where all data is stored and a virus needs to have it's program stored on the hard drive for when the computer is restarted.
Having said that, there are now virus's that can store themselves on USB sticks, but if the USB stick is not connected to the computer during a reinstall, it cannot run it's program.
I've only once had a problem where a virus must have been lodged in the master boot sector as reinstalling the operating system with a format (3 times) did not eliminate the virus like problem, and Norton anti-virus never picked it up.

The problem was fixed though when writting zeros to the hard drive and reformatting and reinstalling the operating system.
On a side note, i'm now using the free anti-virus program called "Avast", which is the best thing i've used, after trying a few. It just works to perfection with free and automatic virus definition updates:

avast! Free Antivirus - Download Software for Virus Protection

There's some seriously knowledgeable people on this site, and i'm sure they can help answer your questions better than myself, as i'm just an end user with basic comprehension of the finer workings of hardware and software.
The only thing i want my computer to do is "just damm well work", and do so without playing funny buggers with me.
Whenever it gives even the first hint of playing up, i scrap my operating system and do a reinstall.
My advise is to partition your hard drive into C & D drives and install the operating system on "C" drive and store all your important data on "D" drive.
This way if "C" drive c.r.a.p.s itself, you don't have to worry about finding valuable information on "C" drive, which could be infected.

You just mercilessly format "C" drive and start again.
There is a program called Partition Magic which will allow easy partitioning of your hard drive, even after a reinstall:

http://norton-partition-magic.en.softonic.com/download


Fabian
 
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TheE

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Viruses can work their way into the BIOS too, but it's extremely rare, especially since there are security measures to prevent it. It's a good bet the viruses are just on the hard disk. If you know how to reflash a BIOS, it might be worth trying, just be careful as doing it wrong can brick your PC.

Anyways, using a Windows anti-virus to delete a Windows virus is like trying to ride an MB with a broken throttle cable to the store to get a new one; it just ain't gonna work. Try one of the resuce CDs offered by some well-known AV companies, they're free and they run in Linux so you'll catch the virus with it's pants down:

Avira AntiVir Rescue System

Index of /rescue_cd

It's just as easy as burning the .iso to a CD and booting the system, make sure the computer is set to boot off the CD.

Then you can boot back into Windows and give this little fella a run:

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware - Free software downloads and software reviews - CNET Download.com

I've used this approach countless times, and if done right, you can completely clean a system without ANY damage to your other files and a price tag of $0 =D
 

BarelyAWake

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I dont know if I trust free programs to do what they are supposed to do though.

Pat
Everything I've recommended I use myself. Not only just on my personal systems, but those I use at work and all those I repair for friends, I would never recommend them otherwise lol

Additionally - I outlined the above so you could attempt to continue using that same OS without even a format or a new drive, should you wish to replace/format anyway - I'd still recommend setting up your new system with the above to help prevent future problems. I've also kept in mind that they should not only be free - but unobtrusive, low resource usage & easy to use no matter your skill level.

There's a couple of different definitions for "free" software - something like Tuneup Utilities (trial) is hoping that you like the product enough that you'll send them some cash when the trial expires, so it's essentially advertising. There's programs (like avast) that offer versions of their software for free, but are sponsored by other software companies - the other company's product will come included with the download - like avast and Google. Then there's Mozilla (Firefox) which is simply a different philosophy on the software business model, called "Open Source" it's often a collaborative effort (including the public) with one goal in mind - better software without all the hype and insidious attempts to drain you of your cash - like charging for "upgrades". It's really kinda neat, ya outa check it out: Open-source software - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and here's Mozilla's: Mozilla.org - Home of the Mozilla Project

So while it's good to be wary of anything "free" - particularly on the interwebz, not everything free is inherently bad, the other side of that truth is not everything you pay for is worth anything at all :)
 
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diceman2004

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simply reformatting a drive doesn,t do jack squat .

ever reformat a drive , and notice that windows is still registered in your name ?

there are some dos commands you can use to help , but the best thing as previously mentioned in this thread is using a ZERO FILL program

BUT , if you have your windows disk .
hard drives are so cheap now , its affordable to just buy a new drive .
 

deacon

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I had a nasty reoccurring virus years ago. it infected every storage media I had. i would plug in a memory device ie cd I had made, or disk I had made and ti would come back.
 
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Which virus do you think you have? What is the virus causing not to work right? The advice to make a bootable cd with virus scan is the best IMO...I'd also move the jumper that resets the bios as well (or just take out the battery on the motherboard a few seconds with power unplugged will do the same). I gotta wonder if it's not on the software you are reloading...are they from a good known source?
 

deacon

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again run a scan on any disk you have made most of us make backups of personal information. When we load it back in we don't virus scan and thats how it can get back in easily. Pick it up on the wed it can infect even files that were not in use.
 

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I started downloading the TuneUp, and it is taking FOREVER. I tried to cancel the download, and I can't. :( Guess I'll just have to wait for it and wait and wait....
 

Goat Herder

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Linux no probs never have had any ether. It is very easy to install and use. I have seen many instances of the reoccurring virus thing. For many a friend so far I have installed Linux over a so called corrupted hard drive [Viral]. The Linux Ubuntu orphaned all that crud and the said computer never ran better.

I got into Linux at a time when I had had enough windows probs. Now I like open source stuff more than ever!

Apple and Mac came from open source . They came from Linux . No more Viral's for me . In about 4 years now! They don't get virus's.

If curious just download Linux make a ISO then simply try it?

Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu

Its not for everybody there are some quirks sometimes. Yet what I like best is after all the programming is done the O.S. never brakes ever!
 

deacon

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I use opera browser and my firewall and virus scan find very little malware and no virus at all. Most of the virus come in on explorer I think.
 

Goat Herder

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You might have a point about Explorer. I like Firefox the best so far with the WOT add on.
That add on has been pretty nice.
 

TheE

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Yeah, Linux is wonderful. Load up Compiz-Fusion and you'll be running circles around Aero. Only problem is that most professional programs don't run on it, ditto for games =/

And yeah, I find a good way to prevent viruses is to avoid IE at all costs. I've been seeing an epidemic of fake AVs taking over peoples' PCs, and curiously they all use IE as their browser...
 

Patr1ck

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Which virus do you think you have? What is the virus causing not to work right? The advice to make a bootable cd with virus scan is the best IMO...I'd also move the jumper that resets the bios as well (or just take out the battery on the motherboard a few seconds with power unplugged will do the same). I gotta wonder if it's not on the software you are reloading...are they from a good known source?
Thank you all for your posts. Ive had many viruses, trojans, worms, etc... Its Internet Explorer that doesnt work right. Everything else works fine. Sounds like its the end of the road for IE for me. Fire Fox sounds good. I have a buddy and an Uncle who run Linux and love it. Its the fact that many programs arent compatible with it that keeps me from it. Where is this jumper? What do you mean by "move it"? Ive found a battery in there, its about the size of a quarter. Is this the one that needs removed and reinstalled? When I unplug the battery or move the jumper and replace the hard drive with a completely different new one, is there any special steps that I need to do before I can start reinstalling everything?

Thanks,
Pat