| | | Bicycle Engine Kits Most motorized bicycle engine kits are either a 2 stroke or 4 stroke. Both need careful installation and setup, find out from our professionals here! | 48cc engine overhaul Discussion at Motorized Bicycle Engine Kit Forum in the Bicycle Engine Kits forum. Good Day All,
Im new to this forum, but not to these "wonderful" 48cc bicycle engine kits. Ive ...  | | 
06-06-2008, 02:46 PM
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| | 48cc engine overhaul Good Day All,
Im new to this forum, but not to these "wonderful" 48cc bicycle engine kits. Ive done 3 conversions, and I have found the following overhaul points to be very helpful.
1-Tear the engine down to every last nut and bolt
2-De-burr all edges on the case
3-lap mating surfaces on surface plate
4-Machine the case to accept "normal" 30mm OD crank seals, and use decent Corteco seals from CR seal.
5-Replace the crank bearings with SKF units
6-Replace the jackshaft bearings with SKF sealed ( not shielded ) units
7-Actually align , redrill, and helicoil most of the holes in the case
8-Replace the cylinder studs with stainless (english threaded units)
9-Re-true and polish the crankshaft journals, especially where the seals ride
10-Deburr and chamfer everything slightly, these engines are full of burrs and sharp edges.
11-chamfer and polish the edges of the ports in the cylinder
12-lap the cylinder and cylinder head to make sure they are flat
13-lightly hone all the edges of the piston rings, and check the fit in the piston.
14-De-burr the primary reduction gears, glass beading works well for this
15-Clean and relube the clutch idler bearings with high temp nlgi-3 grease
16-Bush the clutch shaft in the sprocket cover with a bronze bushing
17-Ultrasonicly clean every part (if you can) and assemble with a decent lube one the engine parts, high temp grease on everything else, and a removeable sealer on the gaskets.
18-Assemble using allen head good quality fasteners
19-Seal the excitation coil in the engine with epoxy
20-I have run blendzall 455 at a 32:1 ratio in all of mine with great results.
This probably seems like overkill, and it does take a bit of time. But boy are they reliable after that! All of the kits I bought, from various suppliers, had quite a lot of grit, dirt, metal chips, bad bearings, and all had torn crank seals. Just a good cleaning, de-burring, and hand fitting, and sealing up would make a world of difference. Anyone else gone this far to save a buck? | 
06-06-2008, 05:11 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Not a bad thing to do if you are motorhead enough to do it, some people (we love you anyways...) don't know which end of a screw driver to hold, so this would be out of the question.
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06-07-2008, 08:49 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Quote:
Originally Posted by makoman1860 Good Day All,
Im new to this forum, but not to these "wonderful" 48cc bicycle engine kits. Ive done 3 conversions, and I have found the following overhaul points to be very helpful.
1-Tear the engine down to every last nut and bolt
2-De-burr all edges on the case
3-lap mating surfaces on surface plate
4-Machine the case to accept "normal" 30mm OD crank seals, and use decent Corteco seals from CR seal.
5-Replace the crank bearings with SKF units
6-Replace the jackshaft bearings with SKF sealed ( not shielded ) units
7-Actually align , redrill, and helicoil most of the holes in the case
8-Replace the cylinder studs with stainless (english threaded units)
9-Re-true and polish the crankshaft journals, especially where the seals ride
10-Deburr and chamfer everything slightly, these engines are full of burrs and sharp edges.
11-chamfer and polish the edges of the ports in the cylinder
12-lap the cylinder and cylinder head to make sure they are flat
13-lightly hone all the edges of the piston rings, and check the fit in the piston.
14-De-burr the primary reduction gears, glass beading works well for this
15-Clean and relube the clutch idler bearings with high temp nlgi-3 grease
16-Bush the clutch shaft in the sprocket cover with a bronze bushing
17-Ultrasonicly clean every part (if you can) and assemble with a decent lube one the engine parts, high temp grease on everything else, and a removeable sealer on the gaskets.
18-Assemble using allen head good quality fasteners
19-Seal the excitation coil in the engine with epoxy
20-I have run blendzall 455 at a 32:1 ratio in all of mine with great results.
This probably seems like overkill, and it does take a bit of time. But boy are they reliable after that! All of the kits I bought, from various suppliers, had quite a lot of grit, dirt, metal chips, bad bearings, and all had torn crank seals. Just a good cleaning, de-burring, and hand fitting, and sealing up would make a world of difference. Anyone else gone this far to save a buck? | I just bookmarked this post for reference.
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06-08-2008, 01:03 AM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Good job. I take all mine apart and have a look, but not that much attention. I finely found someone that knows about sharp edged rings on a two stroke. I found some seals that fit the engine perfectly, and the bearings are a must, mine were lumpy when turned. I do a lot of porting and I have a mod for the carb that works well. Oh I found a way to shut up the speaker affect of the right side cover, smear the inside with Silicone rubber, it will dampen the noise. I hope you enjoy this forum as much as I do. Have fun, Dave
PS: Let me know if you would like to do some porting. I would like to have someone enjoy the affects.
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06-11-2008, 04:18 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Quote:
Originally Posted by Egor Good job. I take all mine apart and have a look, but not that much attention. I finely found someone that knows about sharp edged rings on a two stroke. I found some seals that fit the engine perfectly, and the bearings are a must, mine were lumpy when turned. I do a lot of porting and I have a mod for the carb that works well. Oh I found a way to shut up the speaker affect of the right side cover, smear the inside with Silicone rubber, it will dampen the noise. I hope you enjoy this forum as much as I do. Have fun, Dave
PS: Let me know if you would like to do some porting. I would like to have someone enjoy the affects. | Hey Dave,
I myself have re-timed the ports on one of my engines, along with a new intake manifold, walbro "pumper" carb , changed ignition timing and tuned pipe/silencer setup. The end result?-The power of a 1970's vintage 50cc dirtbike engine, with the lifespan of a yugo. In all seriousness the crankshaft is the weak link in the engine for power development, with the driveline short behind. The crankpin to crank-web fit isnt the greatest, and the materials very 1940's vintage (cheap 1940's). Also the piston being a long trunk design is too heavy for high RPM use. After that ordeal I stuck to just making them decently reliable with good runability, and have been having a ball with that! | 
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul i recommend viewing worlds fastest indian, you guys may start casting your own pistons or decide to buy a subatu or tanaka and go on a looooong ride | 
06-11-2008, 05:16 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Quote:
Originally Posted by stude13 i recommend viewing worlds fastest indian, you guys may start casting your own pistons or decide to buy a subatu or tanaka and go on a looooong ride |
Heh,
Your not too far off. If I wasnt stretched so thin with other avenues of engine driven machines I would probably toy with this some more. Right now its a reliable way to get around airport and shop. | 
06-11-2008, 06:21 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Quote:
Originally Posted by makoman1860 Hey Dave,
I myself have re-timed the ports on one of my engines, along with a new intake manifold, walbro "pumper" carb , changed ignition timing and tuned pipe/silencer setup. The end result?-The power of a 1970's vintage 50cc dirtbike engine, with the lifespan of a yugo. In all seriousness the crankshaft is the weak link in the engine for power development, with the driveline short behind. The crankpin to crank-web fit isnt the greatest, and the materials very 1940's vintage (cheap 1940's). Also the piston being a long trunk design is too heavy for high RPM use. After that ordeal I stuck to just making them decently reliable with good runability, and have been having a ball with that! |
What model and size of Walbro?
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06-11-2008, 08:26 PM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Yea, all I do is to get it to run good now, like you said it is like a 70's dirt bike the only thing is you can not do any sustained runs. I think if you get them to run excellent and then treat them carefully they will last. One thing that I like is the mileage increase, with the engine running so effortlessly the mileage goes way up. I took a few things off mine also, the timing being one, I also leave the compression alone. The porting being the most radical thing I do, and that is conservative at best. Have fun, Dave
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06-20-2008, 10:42 AM
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| | Re: 48cc engine overhaul Egor Long Run? 15 Miles to work is that too long for sustained ride? | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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