FireBelly 4 Stroke "Hard Box" Transmission

tyrslider · #61 (**permalink**) 09-09-2009, 01:30 AM

Raven,
What's the difference w/ the Titan and HuaSheng? Different mounts? I forget seems I read about it somewhere.

xlite · #62 (**permalink**) 09-09-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tyrslider

To start off w/ 4 strokes will never compete pricewise w/ 2 strokes. Contrary to popular misconceptio the 2 strokes are incredibly reliable.

Essentially the bottom line is if I decide to have more testers in addition to giving 100% product support I will likely give a substantial discount w/ an agreement to recipricate test info.

No argument on reliability of 2s vs 4s. I pilot planes with Rotax snowmobile engines. The biggest issue is mileage and that pain in the butt oil mixing.

Anyway the subject is gearboxes. $350 is getting there and I would like to hear more about the discount should that become an option.

Also interesting about the shift kit. You know of course Pablo has one for $180 also american made?

tyrslider · #63 (**permalink**) 09-09-2009, 04:28 PM

So, SBP has 2 stroke shifter kit for $180 and it is not (w/ the exception of posssibly a couple parts) American made. I'm working w/ SBP developing the 4 stroke shift kit and including my transmission will likely cost $495, so that's $350 for the trans. and $145 for the shift kit.

xlite · #64 (**permalink**) 09-09-2009, 05:57 PM

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So, SBP has 2 stroke shifter kit for $180 and it is not (w/ the exception of posssibly a couple parts) American made. I'm working w/ SBP developing the 4 stroke shift kit and including my transmission will likely cost $495, so that's $350 for the trans. and $145 for the shift kit.

Sorry, it wasn't clear that included gearbox. Seems quite reasonable and I look forward to reviews.

tyrslider · #65 (**permalink**) 09-09-2009, 06:29 PM

Cool! I'll keep ya posted and thanks again!

tyrslider · #66 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 08:38 PM

So, much investigation and much learned! In order that I may eschew obfuscation; I shall be humble (to be clear and in order to fix the issues I have to admit a critical mistake).

I made some assumptions about the chain that were apparently erroneous. So after much more fact finding investigation and thought. I have 2 possible solutions that'll fix the chain breakage in these boxes.

1. Slower Rpms
or
2. 2 strand chain

I think I'll try both!

I have a 2.5 hp 50 cc 4 stroke that is neither Honda nor HuaSheng that is designed to run at 3600 rpms that I'll be using for option 1; option 2 is going to be a 2 strand chain on the HuaSheng.

Both of these options will greatly improve chain strength!

All in all I believe it is good news. These are quality made units that I believe are both attractive and built to last! Now, armed w/ the facts, We'll be able to back up that statement!

I should say that I've not personally broken any of my boxes chains from prototype to 1st gen. I broke 2 masterlinks and specified different ones which fixed that. Just wanted to clarify that I in no way intended to have our customers test our product (we're supposed to do that). They've been both patient and helpful. I am thankful for that!

Thanks, Evan

Quenton Guenther · #67 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:10 PM

Hi Evan,

It sure takes a lot of time, money, and patience to design & fabricate a workable system. Often times many don't realize the major commitment required to find solutions.

We have our system at the "bullet proof" stage and are now working around the clock to reduce the cost and still use American parts & labor.

We have invested over a year in bringing our drive system to the marketplace, therefore I am very aware of all the hard work you must have invested in your project.

If we can be of any help, please feel free to contact us.

Have fun,

bandito · #68 (**permalink**) 10-16-2009, 12:53 AM

OK my heads spinning and Im seeing double....is the website up yet? Are all the kinks worked out as of 10/15/09? What kind of warranty is on this product? Also what is the price ON A COMPLETE KIT with gearbox, motor and mounting hardware? I like the fact that some bubbas in an AMERICAN machine shop get to feed their kids instead of jin tao luo.

xlite · #69 (**permalink**) 10-16-2009, 05:27 AM

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In order that I may eschew obfuscation; I shall be humble (to be clear and in order to fix the issues I have to admit a critical mistake).

Your candor is certainly appreciated. Getting eschewed up by all that obfuscation was getting old.

tyrslider · #70 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 11:56 AM

The work never ends! But it's good work to have!
Thanks Guys!
Bandito
The website is long over due! We're supposed to have many pics up today and descriptions etc to follow. Hopefully a useable site by tomorrow.

As of 10/17/09 8:17am I have the solutions to the bug in hand and waiting for a few parts to be finished. I expect next weekend I'll have one, maybe both, options working.

We stand behind all of our products. We like feeding Bubba's kids too!

I should say that we're having to take a step back w/ this project. It is being bumped back to the testing phase. The units already machined are most likely all spoken for. If there are any available for testing after that I'll offer them up. This will allow the mods to be thoroughly tested over the winter (rode hard put away wet!). And the next series of HardBox transmissions will be redesigned to reflect those changes.

If we're lucky and people are still interested in our transmission after another round of rigorous testing, I should think that the redesigned Hardbox should be available early next year.

I'll post our progress regularly!