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Old 09-23-2008, 09:29 PM
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There are a few engine makers that aren't state owned communists. They usually provide quality stuff.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:40 PM
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There are a few engine makers that aren't state owned communists. They usually provide quality stuff.
Yes, that is true. However, from what I've seen, for what you'd pay for that, you might as well just buy a moped or scooter already made.
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:46 PM
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I am glad you think that way,life is to short.At one time i thought i was bulletproof,3 years of kemo made me think long and hard about my life,I wanted a drag boat many years ago so i had one built,5000hp blown nitro ,200+mph 1/4 mile her name was mothers worry if that tells you anything,ran it 2or 3 times,i got rid of her,after thinking of how short life really is.HARLEYS DAD
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:55 PM
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Admins, considering the nature of machinery, from the supply soruce to manufacturer to the end users perhaps we should have a thread here for posting heads up's. Those of us who have been around aviation know what "AD Notes" (air worthyness directive notes) are and why they exist.

Since I've been here I've seen several reports of malfunctioning parts. There could be alot of reasons for it. But in the greater scheme of things when business and industry want inspections, regulations, and other consumer safegards abolished in order for the "free market" to resolve all problems
we see this more and more frequently.

I don't know how well organized quality control is in China, thruout their supply chain. The Japanese learned their lessons after WW2. But we're all taking alot here on faith whether we can even speak a common language...other than money.

Item: When I was in business school I had to study the history of the British and American Industrial revolution. It seemed that the American Industrial Revolution exceded the Brit's and several reasons were given for it. But of those reasons one was offered by the German Sociologist named Max Wertheimer. He claimed that the American Industrial Revolution was what it became because of "Protestant Ethic". What he ment was that doing one's job in America was tied to their spiritual faith and to allow their work to be any less than the quality it was expected to be was to be in "sin". I don't know if the Chinese have any point of view like this or not now that they are in their Industrial Revolution. Or if it's only about money and production quotas and let the buyer beware.

I've for years listened to machinist and welders lament the low grades of Asian metal used to make some of the products brought to them to repair.
So that's why I make this suggestion about having a thread to address problems in makes, models, sizes, styles, & series of these units that may serve distributors, resellers, and end users.

I also urge everyone here who is into reading about the Chinese Industrial Revolution to consider this book from their public library:

Amazon.com: China Shakes the World: A Titan's Rise and Troubled Future -- and the Challenge for America: James Kynge: Books

I especially urge those considering importing directly from China themselves to cover the information regarding the corruption there before proceding on their own. The writer of this book is one of the best quaified to write such a book about China.

If a supplier was short on an order of studs and wanted to make the sell they may be inclined to ship some lesser grade studs to make up the order, and any failures be explained as an occasional random breakdown. But having a place where owners inform each other may be one way to protect owners and keep suppliers informed and manufacturers in line.

Just offering this as a thought.
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I think I get the point but to be honest I really don't care. You pays your dollar you takes your chances. A doctor told me forty years ago, "You ride that bike long enough it's gonna kill you." So I can't say I wasn't warned.
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I think I get the point but to be honest I really don't care. You pays your dollar you takes your chances. A doctor told me forty years ago, "You ride that bike long enough it's gonna kill you." So I can't say I wasn't warned.
I agree with you totally Deacon, I am a big boy and I know the risks involved.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:03 PM
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I also agree with Deacon, and I'll add this, there ARE ways to make these motors safe. I have done it and many others have, if they hadn't, I would not have know what to do in order to make it safe.
I can understand your frustrations, I've had a few myself, but I stand by my statement that they can be made safe.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:14 PM
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Get yourself a genuine Honda 4-stroke with a Grubee kit....the Grubee is Chinese but atleast it's reasonable quality.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:17 PM
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[quote=eDJ;34768]Admins, considering the nature of machinery, from the supply soruce to manufacturer to the end users perhaps we should have a thread here for posting heads up's............

Interesting reflection. I would also add that from my own personal perspective, these "toys" of ours are after all BICYCLES. I read alot of posts referencing how fast you can go or how "fast i got it up to"... I only want to enjoy the "novelty" of not having to pedal all the time, and go about 15 or 20 mph, and I don't think these things have any place in regular traffic on MAIN roads....I also believe that the installation should be structurally viable and sound, in other words if it don't look right (strong enough) it ain't ...... Don't try to make a motorcycle out of it and run with the big dogs, it is after all a LITTLE dog... enjoy the putt putt around the neighborhood...
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:22 PM
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If they cant be made safe the ntsb and our gov. will stop the import of these motors, it is up to us to make them safe,find new and better ways of mounting etc. our gov. stopped the import of three wheelers because they were killing people. harleys dad
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