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Old 05-25-2008, 10:48 AM
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I've been battling engine performance for awhile now on my PK-80 with 44T, 25:1 synthetic oil and 91 octane, my weight 180 lbs. It just didn't want to come up into 2 stroke rpm range unless it was going downhill. On the flats and particularly on a slight grade, it would surge between 2 and 4 stroke running. Steeper grade had less surging. Clearly a mixture issue, but without an RC engine-like mixture screw, it simply sucks! (hmmm, a Saito 4 stroke radial engine in-frame? Nice!)
Resealing manifold and carb, checking float, needle, and seat for debris, moving mixture needle clip into all four slots, matching intake/exhaust manifold ports didn't help. Scouring this site came up with nothing else to really go for.
So I took it on it's maiden voyage to work (20 miles one way) with an estimate 75 miles of break in roadtesting, and a few miles into the way back it just suddenly, miraculously, started to run consistently! No more surging, just smooth operation...nice!
I still wish it had more power on the hills, as even a very modest incline loses a lot of speed, but overall, much happier now. Wish I knew what changed!
I guess it is true, the firt 100 miles or so should be just ridden through without worrying too much about performance.
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:22 AM
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It takes an amazing amount of time to break the engines in, relative to new modern tight toleranced 4 strokes. 2-3 FULL tanks.

What kind of plug and wire are you using?

I'm finding my stock exhaust system is really holding me back at this point and I could do with some port work....then I will lap the head and install a new HG all at the same time. Will be fun to feel the difference.
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:35 AM
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All components used came with kit. Was planning to change them out soon, but haven't because the problem didn't feel ignition related. (I've got a well-tuned assometer having been a mechanic for so long, and experiencing a problem is typically enough to know where to go to resolve it). I'd estimate about 1.5 gallons were run through it for breakin.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:14 AM
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Sounds a bit rich.

Also, the 91 octane is a waste of money.

All my builds would pull my 200# up a hill and have some spare power doing it. 44T sprocket, stock baffle.

Finally, you won't see an improvement in performance as far as break-in goes until 250++ miles. Vary the throttle and engine load often, and don't baby it.
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hmmm, interesting. I've read in several places /suppliers, that 91 octane was important, I wonder why? Perhaps useful for breakin since it "burns slower" to prevent pre-ignition and reduce likelihood of damage? But then again, aren't 2-strokes lower in compression to begin with, reducing likelihood of pre-ignition? 87 it is!!!!
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:31 PM
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I've never used anything but 87 and never had any pre-ignition problems...these engines are 6.5:1 I think.
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I always heard anything over regular was a waste of money.
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Nothing but 85 octane in mine. 85 even ran good at sea level in Florida with no problems.
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Old 06-11-2008, 02:03 PM
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Hey hey! Skyliner is back!
How did your move go? Smooth I hope?
Settled in enough to do your planned sea level boost bottle before/after time/distance/speed trials?
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