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06-06-2008, 01:15 PM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Indiana
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| | Eliminate the Muffler So I realize that I'm relatively new to the world of motorbicycling, but I'm fairly well grounded in thermodynamics. What I'm getting at is removal of the muffler on my chinese kit engine to maximize efficiency. The only down side that I can think of would be the ridiculously loud noise as I roll down the street. If you think about it, this might a) create awareness for cars and b) make my bike sound like a real motorcycle. Of course there is the Police factor, but we'll cross that bridge when it happens.
Also a straight pipe exhaust may be an alternative to no muffer at all.
Your thoughts?
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06-06-2008, 02:59 PM
|  | Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler These engines need back preasure, Without it alot of the fuel would just blow through I thought?????? Leading to a lack of power ?????? | 
06-06-2008, 03:16 PM
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler Is this really true? I have seen some aftermarket mufflers that have been elongated; wouldn't this effect the "back pressue" ? I guess what I'm saying is that if P and V are proportional, wouldn't the longer muffler negatively impact the P if back pressure was necessary?
Thanks for the feedback.
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06-06-2008, 03:18 PM
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler Quote:
Originally Posted by Cycofast Is this really true? I have seen some aftermarket mufflers that have been elongated; wouldn't this effect the "back pressue" ? I guess what I'm saying is that if P and V are proportional, wouldn't the longer muffler negatively impact the P if back pressure was necessary?
Thanks for the feedback. | Would V = Volume and and and P= Police | 
06-06-2008, 03:34 PM
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler 2 stroke engines are very sensitive to exhaust pressure, size and shape. Because they have no valves like a 4 stroke, the exhaust if built correctly, will act like a valve and increase performance over no exhaust at all. 4 strokes on the other hand pretty much could care less about their exhaust as long as it is not restricting flow. So by eliminating your exhaust you will not only decrease the performance of your engine you will not make any friends in the community. | 
06-06-2008, 03:47 PM
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler LOL sorry P=pressure and V=volume.
Thanks for the explanation ghost0.
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06-06-2008, 05:35 PM
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler Keeping them quiet is the best policy. If you upset to many people, the next thing you know laws change, and not in your favor. | 
06-06-2008, 05:42 PM
|  | Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler Well said Chitty !! if you live out of town than go your best. But in the city maybe not so great an idea..... | 
06-06-2008, 05:47 PM
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| | Re: Eliminate the Muffler No muffler= great wide open full throttle performance, no idle, very bad throttle transition from idle to wide open or anywhere in between.
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