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bgoates · #**131** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 01:07 AM

When the mechanic was here we cranked the engine with the plug out and thumb over hole and felt good compression. However, I don't really notice the running sound as you describe when I pop the clutch when peddling. I mostly notice it is hard to peddle.

deacon · #**132** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 01:14 AM

Mine does that piston slap sound or maybe it is the plug firing I guess that is what norman was talking about. But it makes a different sound if the wiring is grounded out. Kind of no sound at all. I'm not sure what that is all about.

Lets see if anyone else notices it. Sometimes I try to start mine with the switch turned off and it just does nothing. Sometimes I try to start it with the gas turned off or the choke set wrong it makes that sound like it's trying going to run. but when I stop pedaling the sound goes away. Maybe it is the sound of the plug firing that im hearing I don't know. Maybe somebody else knows.

deacon · #**133** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 01:15 AM

was your plug wet and oily. You know it really might be a dead plug. You said you changed them but I swear it sounds like everything else is working properly.

bgoates · #**134** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 12:31 PM

I appreciate everyones input on this. This morning I bought O rings and put one in the carb to seal to the manifold. I checked the gap on the plug..OK. The plug does fire. I took the carb off and unscrewed the bowl and blew through the jet...ok. I put the carb back on with the O ring and gasket sealant. I put a screwdriver down the cylinder and cranked it and yes it goes up and down. I cranked it and put my hand over the manifold intake and feel suction. After all this I peddled my ass off and not even a pop.

I have worked with several 2 strokes before, ie snowmobiles and ultralight aircraft and have never seen anything like this. I have submitted a claim to the purchaser but I'm not holding my breath.

As a final effort I am going to buy a new plug and try it. I don't know why it would make any difference though when the one I have fires. But I just don't get why when I put fuel in the cylinder it won't fire on that fuel. I have spent way too many hours on this and about ready to pee on it.

deacon · #**135** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 01:31 PM

I'm gonna be honest. In scientific terms it sounds like it is cursed.

My biggest fear when I bought my engine was that I couldn't make it work and would have wasted the money. It's not like buying a twenty dollar electric motor. Still most people seem to manage to get it working.

I am with you though If you get gas and the piston is moving up and down and if you have compression it should fire right up, if the spark is there.

Pablo · #**136** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 01:42 PM

The head is 4 cap nuts. (take the plug out first) easy pie.

Take the nuts off in a nice criss cross patern. Pull the head off. Easy pie.

Is it a wetish mess? Get an ultra clean rag and wipe it all off, crank the piston and wipe again. Cylinder walls, piston top and head. Clean the gasket for re-use. Button it up with proper torque in a criss cross patern. 10-11 foot pounds as I recall.

Use a new plug with .018-.020" gap.

All I can say is this is what worked for me and it's easy. Mine wouldn't start after my carb was having issues. I fixed the carb and it wouldn't start, so I took the head off, cleaned it and it started right up.

deacon · #**137** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 03:25 PM

Today I rode my bike and paid attention. Mine was flooded to the point that gas was pouring out of the tail pipe. I kept pedaling and it started finally. But it made almost the exact noise that it makes running as it was trying to start. That's what I don't understand about his engine. Mine is harder to pedal sure but it also makes noises like its running as well. Maybe it's just mine.

I shouldn't have choked it. The weather today is nice, I guess it didn't need to be choked. Norman tells me If I dont need to choke I am running too rich but it seems to run fine. I'm not messin' with a bike that runs.

**Bikeguy Joe** · #**138** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 05:36 PM

How old is your gas?

bgoates · #**139** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 06:06 PM

Powerking..the supplier , has contacted me and suggested I try turning the magneto magnet over...I did and no difference. So they are sending me a different cdi and magneto on the theory that I don't have enough spark. If that doesn't work they will send me a new engine and carb. I'll let everybody know next week the outcome. Stay tuned......

**Norman** · #**140** (**permalink**) 03-11-2008, 06:09 PM

Ok. You got gas in the engine and a good spark. correct? Here is the only thing left I can think of now. Pull off the cover on your ignition coil. You will also need to take off the clutch cover. stuff a rag in the gears and unscrew the nut on the magnets/coil side of your ignition side. I'm thinking if you got spark but it won't fire and fuel and no fire then you might have the magnets rotor put on wrong by the factory. could be the key on the shaft is missing causing it to be out of time firing with the piston on the bottom of the stroke and not toward the top of the power stroke. Do you understand there should be a small metal key to keep the magnet/rotor from slipping on the shaft. Right off I don't know if a guy can put it on wrong and get it out of time . that's the only thing I can now think of that's causing the engine not to run. If you want to send me it you pay for shipping and only parts it takes to get it to run. I'm not out to rip you off I just want you to be able to enjoy your bike like the rest of us get to do. Try what I suggested and if it don't work my offer to help you out stands. Let me know. If Kings will trade out engines that might be your best choise and I now see you pulled off the magnet/rotor so all my ideas went out the window. I sure would take off the kill switch as well some thing is bittin you in the arse on this one. Is your fuel mix 20 parts gas to 1 part oil like 20 oz.gas 1 oz. oil. Heck you said you play with ultralights so you must know how to mix fuel. Deacon might be right that engine just might be cursed. But I think something we all are missing or miscommunicating and thats the problem I can't get my tongs on it for a little visit and a good cussing then it would run just to get away form me.
I sure would like to have a few minutes with it out back behind the wood shed.