$20 a gallon gas proposed.....

sofasurferlinux · #51 (**permalink**) 07-19-2009, 01:16 AM

> I would love to hear how raising gas prices at all, let alone to $20 a gallon would positively affect the economy.

The same way spending TRILLIONS of dollars (**,000,000,000,000) will create jobs.
What? You say no jobs have been created? You say that all of that money is unaccounted for? You say that at least, BILLIONS (***,000,000,000) of it have been given to executives for bonuses for causing their companies to fail?
What the crap!!!???

Pablo · #52 (**permalink**) 07-19-2009, 07:04 AM

Some misinformation in this thread for sure on ethanol. Ethanol takes more energy to produce by far than fossil fuels. Ethanol has a 1.6:1 penalty while petroleum has a 1.2:1 penalty. If you used petroleum to provide the energy to produce ethanol, you would use half as much petroleum ..assuming you used 100% ethanol as your fuel and petroleum as your processing energy source. This does really emphasize the value of fossil fuels and essentially the "freeness" and preciousness, but we need to be smart about these things. Saying ethanol doesn't acidify oil as much as petrogasoline or that it produces less net greenhouse gas, are not true statements.

Alternate energy logic is not easy, that's for sure. Brazil's advantage is sugar feedstock, but they still have their oil.

deacon · #53 (**permalink**) 07-19-2009, 11:17 AM

according to our fearless leader high prices of gasoline will result in more demand for alternate energy thereby creating jobs to produce such energy. That's what he said when asked about four dollar a gallon gasoline during the elections.

Me personally I think it is a conspiracy. Heck it always is my theory though.

sofasurferlinux · #54 (**permalink**) 07-19-2009, 11:40 AM

>Me personally I think it is a conspiracy.

It absolutely is. Its been known about for decades. Its predicted in the Bible.
Don't sound apologetic for using the 'C' word. Conspiracy is a real word with real meaning. Conspiracies happen thousands of times every day all around the world. People that deny conspiracy theories are living with blinders on.

Finfan · #55 (**permalink**) 07-19-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon

according to our fearless leader high prices of gasoline will result in more demand for alternate energy thereby creating jobs to produce such energy. That's what he said when asked about four dollar a gallon gasoline during the elections.

Me personally I think it is a conspiracy. Heck it always is my theory though.

Sorry Deacon but ever since I started paying attention to politics (Nixon Administration) there has always been somebody who is recommending that you invest in canned food and shotguns, and the meltdown hasn't happened yet. It doesn't matter if you are liberal or conservative if the powers that be don't hold your views you will see them as the tool of the devil! The fact is that there doesn't have to be a conspiracy only greed! The people with money don't want the things they got rich with to change and money is what gets politicians elected. So until something drives the voters to overlook the slick campaign ads money will continue to decide the elections! There is no "Star Chamber"!

Junster · #56 (**permalink**) 07-20-2009, 09:42 PM

Ok I don't sell oil but I did work as a chemical operator for 6 years and ran distilling columns. Alcohol fuel blowby does acidify engine oil but not to nearly the degree that gasoline does. Electricity is generated by water in the northwest and that's what heats a column to create the refining and separation layers. There's no fossil fuel used at all. Fuel grade alcohol is a side draw product. And I'll need some enlightenment on how alcohol burning creates the carbon monoxide that gas burning does.

deacon · #57 (**permalink**) 07-20-2009, 10:00 PM

What no star chamber... the who was that man on the grassy knoll... and what was it that fell in roswell

Pablo · #58 (**permalink**) 07-20-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Junster

Ok I don't sell oil but I did work as a chemical operator for 6 years and ran distilling columns. Alcohol fuel blowby does acidify engine oil but not to nearly the degree that gasoline does. Electricity is generated by water in the northwest and that's what heats a column to create the refining and separation layers. There's no fossil fuel used at all. Fuel grade alcohol is a side draw product. And I'll need some enlightenment on how alcohol burning creates the carbon monoxide that gas burning does.

EtOH actually does acidify oil faster than gasoline. Knowing a little bit about oil and (extended) OCI's with ethanol engines does help here, but it has nothing to do with one of my jobs.

I said "IF If you used petroleum to provide the energy to produce ethanol..." Sure a lot (but not all) of our power comes from water, but I was not just talking about PNW. Still, not free. And many places do use petroleum/NG fuels for the energy.

I never said "alcohol burning creates the carbon monoxide that gas burning does." But alcohol certainly does not produce less NET greenhouse gases.

I am NOT a Biofuel hater, nor an ethanol hater. But we will never get there if we don't keep it factual.

Cabinfever1977 · #59 (**permalink**) 07-20-2009, 10:56 PM

where i live gas is $2.50 per gallon,but i dont need it much anyway cause im getting atleast 180mpg. cigarettes are around $6.50-$8 per pack. milk is around $2.50 per gallon