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| | | | The Tavern Kick off your shoes and sit back with your favorite beverage and enjoy talking about whatever you like. | Our Public Image, Good or Bad? Discussion at Motorized Bicycle Engine Kit Forum in the The Tavern forum. Every member shows up here at some time or another. No one has mentioned
this, so I will. Every state ...  | | 
07-23-2008, 11:48 PM
|  | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas
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| | Our Public Image, Good or Bad? Every member shows up here at some time or another. No one has mentioned
this, so I will. Every state has laws. Some good, some not so good. What we need to focus on is how other people see us. If I see a person young or old walking or bicycling on a public street wearing a "kill everybody" T-shirt I am more likely to keep a very close eye on him/her than someone that is just wearing say an AC/DC shirt. I am NOT playing the how I choose to dress card. I am just saying how we appear to others is important. I will wave at some one watering there lawn and keep going. I stop at stop lights because I don't want to become someones "hood Ornament". I don't give Cops a reason
to pay un due attention to me. I haul "donkey" down back roads knowing if I loose it it's going to hurt bigtime. Some of our bikes will clear 50mph easy. A wave or a nod goes a long way with most people. People are afraid of things they are not familer with. If you go flying down the street making everyone Number One it's not a good image. We all have the right to exist. Some of us use the bikes for fun, some for transportation, some both. In the publics eye just one careless rider can make it really hard for the rest. The only people that will look after us. IS us. Ride safe and with a little class. WE make the difference! Later Tramp 
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07-24-2008, 12:50 AM
|  | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona
Posts: 168
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? if you are the first motor-assisted bike they see,
yours is the impression they will remember
I follow the rules of the road... as I should
and I try to send out 'good vibes' to all that ask me about my bike (or even look in my direction) 
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07-24-2008, 01:06 AM
|  | MB Builder Extraordinaire | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: coventry, RI
Posts: 198
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? first impressions mean alot, and can never be reversed.
i,too, "haul donkey" late at night on a dark lonely road, when i know nobody's gonna see me.
the rest of the time, i obey the laws. even though it kills me.
i got hassled by a cop a month ago, who didnt know the law.
i was polite and respectful, even though he was on a power-trip.
i got tired of waiting for him to finish his call, so i left my copy of the law under his windshield. next time he encounters a mb'r, he'll remember me. | 
07-24-2008, 01:32 AM
|  | Santa Cruz Scooter Works | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nor*Cal
Posts: 725
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? For me, I obey the law most of the time except when I'm on the back roads. On the city streets, I stop at lights or stop signs and usually ride with the flow of traffic...just so I won't get mowed down by a car or truck.
I think the P.D. doesn't mess with me b/c I'm always wearing a full face helmet and where I live there is always a cop lurking around with a radar gun. | 
07-24-2008, 01:32 AM
|  | Senior Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: college station tx
Posts: 73
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad?
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07-24-2008, 01:43 AM
|  | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wayne National Forest
Posts: 339
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? I agree the first impressions are lasting.
I think many people will react with a cocked eye questioning why a grown man wants to be seen on a "Kids Toy". (as though it isn't proper) They may have a dismissive view.
Let them realize the "Kids Toy" is cabable of 200+ mpg their impression will shift quickly to envy or perhaps jealousy.
When HONDA came to the USA in the early sixties they labored hard to create an image for their machines. They didn't want the black leather cult of "bikers" with their BDSM/Tatoo's motif, but rather a clean wholesum fun image. The Ad Agencies came up with a little Granny-Lady riding a HONDA 50 step thru with long dress and large sun bonnet. (think of Tweetie the cannary bird and the little ol' lady he lived with) The slogan was "You meet the nicest people on a HONDA". This was at a time when the public perception of Harley and Indian owners was less than stellar not to mention HONDA was brought to
us by the same people who brough Pearl Harbor. So they had to deal with some major image modification. (obviously they did well)
I once read one of Gordon Jennings articles in an old Cycle magazine where he addressed the "anti social" nature of motorcycles by design. He examined carburation and jetting of an air cooled engine and it's inherant noise by virtue of it's primative design. He explored gearing in the transmission which led to
rapid acceleration, and concluded with exhaust systems on bikes to draw parallels to young people, noise, and a menacing presence to older people.
Most riders were younger people who made a good match for the characteristics of a motor bike with their youthful daring do and the qualities
many find offensive of motorized bikes.
The bike I'll operate will be clean and attractive and I'll operate it in a sane level headed manner. (Ohio dictates 20 mph and 3 ft from the edge of the road) If anyone ask I'll make it clear it is for the sake of fuel milage and was built expressly for running errands to the store to combine business and pleasure.
I know these will be great fascination to young boys but I won't encourage
their interest as their parents likely won't want to listen to them asking for one. Nor do I want their folks thinking I'm a bad influance on their boy.....and wish I and my motor bike weren't seen in public by their kids. I can understand how it would wear on their nerves. It will be difficult enough riding around in my area on a kid magnet to run my errands while school is out during the summer.
So that's the image situation I know I'll have here. Then there's the kids in their first cars thinking a bicycle (motorized or not) shouldn't be on "their" highway. So I figure the early morning riding and errand running will be the best use of it during the time kids are out of school during the summer.
So I'll have the "grouchy old man" image issue to contend with with them. | 
07-27-2008, 08:12 AM
|  | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: north carolina
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| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? If I can weigh in on this. I try to be courteous and behave like an adult. I do rolling stops through stop signs if possible, but I always look very very carefully because I'm the one who is really going to be hurt in an accident with a car.
I try to speak to those I pass cause I am going slow enough to do so. You are not really well insulated from your environment on a bike as you would be in a car. You are IN a car but ON a bike, big difference.
I am also old and dress in greasy clothes or rags most of the time so except for the loud engine, I could be a homeless guy. I pretty much get ignore or asked about the bike, depending on the type people around at the time That suits me just fine.
I do get asked a lot about the bike because I look pretty harmless. I could never pass for a bad butted biker. Those days are long gone my friends. Getting to be old is not it's own reward so prepare for it. | 
07-27-2008, 09:07 AM
|  | Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: South Carolina
Posts: 28
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? I’ll have to admit that here in South Carolina, when you see a grown man on a moped, the first thought that comes to mind is that the rider is probably someone who has lost his license due to drunk driving convictions. The only way they can legally get on the street is to operate a vehicle that does not require registration and insurance. So, when I started my motorized bike project, (my wife see's it as just another way to embarrass her!), I did not want it to look like the average "drunk scooter". I usually wear a helmet when I am on my big v twin motorcycle. I think I will wear a bike helmet on my motorized bike, but not the "spandex tour de butt" shorts! | 
07-27-2008, 12:09 PM
| | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Northglenn,Colorado
Posts: 349
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? It's all about YOU here.
Why is it I can get on NATIONAL TV riding my bike on the BIKE TRAIL where the law states no motorized vehicles and it's okay?
Why is it that when I'm riding on the bike trail and I see a cop they just wave at me?
Because I shut my engine off when I pass roadies and people with dogs on their leashes and guys on horses.
And I keep my cruising speeds below 20 and keep it under 12 when the trail has a lot of traffic.
AND I keep roadies ego's in check by allowing them to pass me.
And anywhere on the streets when I travel with the other bikers I pedal along with them so it looks like the engine is simply helping me along.
Because when people see me and my wonderful bike,they see a BICYCLE with a HELPER ENGINE!
They DON'T see a motorcycle.
And also because COLORADO RULES HUGE!!!
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07-27-2008, 01:28 PM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3
| | Re: Our Public Image, Good or Bad? If I can chime in....
I am an avid stand up scooter rider (Gopeds)
and they are an excellent way to get around, and can be muffled quite well,
at least as well as any MB.
It's the image that gets you into trouble.
Stupid kids rode Gopeds when they came out,
taking off the mufflers, riding crazy, getting hurt, getting them banned.
That's what people think when they see my putt putting down the street,
though I am doing none of these things.
Now a lot of folks have a very negative feeling about my chosen ride.
It's legal in CA, and I'm so glad. (at least 16y/o , helmet, no gutting of muffler, etc...)
I do my part to keep them legal by riding responsible
and keeping them quiet.
I do get negative comments when I'm on my scooter,
but on my motorized BMX bike, no complaints ever. Just thumbs up and
excitement. So what's the deal...?
It's the preconceived notion people have about your ride thru their own experience that will shape their initial view of you.
My motorized BMX they have no experience with, so most folks are open to it.
Then with my scooter, it's "Loud" and "annoying" etc, when it is
exactly the same volume while riding both vehicles.
Just consider what you might be thinking about stand up scooters right now.
Are you thinking, "That GOPED must be really annoying"
without taking the time to consider that they can be muffled well
and it could be ridden responsibly?
I have to admit, even I sometimes just think about annoying kids with a
non muffled end bleed pipe weaving in and out of traffic when thinking about Gopeds.
My point in all this is that the past irresponsible goped riders can show the MB community how NOT to be received.
If you follow all the laws, and be stealthy and nice to folks, how could anyone be against them as a whole? | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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