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Discussion at Motorized Bicycle Engine Kit Forum in the Welcome to the World of Motorized Bicycles forum. Just curious, did your Uncle say anything about the bolt pattern the adaptor mated ? Was the Tow Motor like with ...
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:15 AM
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Just curious, did your Uncle say anything about the bolt pattern the adaptor
mated ? Was the Tow Motor like with a SAE#3 bolt pattern and have to go to a
different standard ? I ran across this when Dad and Grandad were talking about converting a car to a diesel engine. Dad wanted a pickup with one of those custom Perkins Diesels from the UK. But he got such a deal on a van from a guy who was going into divorce he bought the van. He reasoned the money he saved on it would go along ways of fuel and probably level out about the same
as the Perkins Pickup.

Ahhh economics, the advasary of a builders joy.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:27 AM
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Man, I don't remember It was so long ago back in 1990...I'll find that article when I have time hopefully it will refresh my memory.. I used to have some note's that a had saved but over the years and all the move's I have done I've just lost them.

I'm going to search online at the newspaper, I know they took a ton of pic's...they should have something in thier achives
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Old 07-11-2008, 05:08 PM
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LOL that's cool. I do the same thing myself. I got a plan sheet for making those 150 mpg carb's laying around here and I haven't turned it up yet.

Back in the 80's there was this group who went from town to town giving talks with hand out info for like $200 bucks a seat. Some friends of my Dad all ponyed up $10 each to send the chief mechanic to the seminar to learn it and come back and teach them how. They took the plan sheet and xeroxed each guy a copy. I got a knock off of the whole thing later. They had those guys on TV talking to a newsman showing him under the hood of this big white Cadillac.

When the shop's chief mechanic got back he mentioned something they weren't talking about under the hood. It was a water vapor injector. He got the guys off by themselves and asked them about it and they "ahem a yeah ahh" well that's to smooth out it's running. (appearantly to cool down the combustion temps and eliminate the explosive pre-det from the ultra lean fuel mixture)

So I'm still hunting for that envelope myself.

The chief mechanic actually thought it was dangerous as they ran the fuel line thru the upper and lower tanks of the radiator like a domestic heating coil to preheat the fuel. The fuel then went into a felt lined air cleaner with an extended upper air cleaner cover stud. When the cover was installed there was a spring under a wing nut so if a backfire occured the lid could rise to allow a burp and then snap back to keep a fire from occuring. The bottom of the air cleaner had a 3/8 inch copper tube soldered to it to run coolant thru to help heat the fuel to a vapor. Can you imagine ?

Basically you heated the gasoline to a vapor opposed to an automized spary into the carb. (this is where the "KeroSun" heaters get their tremendous efficiency...they burn the vaporized Kero which comes up thru the cotton wick into the glass fiber final wick which can take the high temps. Thus what burns is Kero vapor) And that's what their principle was with the gasoline.....but I figured it would run so lean they wouldn't be able to keep valves in the Cadillac unless they had had stellite or sodium exhaust valves installed in the heads. (and again not told anyone....like using the water injector)

But that's the experience I had with the 150 mpg Carb. I figure a 460 V8 with water injection rigged with a electric engine heater (like for cold mornings) and starting and running it normally till it reached op/temp would get it up to speed to switch to the low flow regulated fuel supply.

To me if I had to live somewhere like Colorado and drive a couple hundred miles at a stint....it would make sense. But before I did such a mod I'd want to pull the heads and install some righteous exhaust valves in them.

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We used to run water injection in our race car's for that very reason. When we raced in the dirt, the rad would get caked with mud and the motor would get hot enough for pre-det.

When I started racing, I used a old 30lb. freon bottle of R-12 (RIP) I would fill it half with water and pressureized it. Ran a hose to a copper tube that I drilled a bunch of small holes mounted in from of the rad with a valve right by my seat.

When the motor would get hot..I'd hit the valve for a few second's and it would wash the mud off the screen in front of the rad and cool the air going in. Funny thing....when I first installed it...In the pit's I would leave the back hood off. Other driver's would always check your car out to see what you got. I would let them see it for a second and then rush over thier and cover it real fast... They would alway's go crying to the officials that I had something illegal.

Just trying to play mind games with them...anything to grab an edge on them.
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