Conservitive consortium of MBers

Dan · #1 (**permalink**) 06-08-2009, 05:11 AM

With the MB population explosion of last years fuel prices and folks wanting "greener" transportation, there is inevitably going to be confusion and misinformation being passed along to new folks and even amongst more experienced builders. What I am proposing is a "committee" of experienced builders, threw demicratic proccess write a conservitive but expanding practical guide to instalation and whats to be expected from a 2 stroke bicycle engine kit. (4 stroke later?) More and more I am seeing folks say "well I have been reading about this for months/weeks" and then give inacurate information or making rather high claims. Worse, not saying they only read some thing and pass it along.

The reason I say conservitive is so as to avoid jumping on the band wagon of the latest, greatest widget or mod.

The committee would vote on any changes and if done correctly, will only suggest and always be slower to adopt new ways of approaching concepts while being supportive of individual innovation.

The goal being to help the community and present a tried and true methodology that people can trust as it is not one person speaking gospel, but an informed group of people who's goal is to further motor bicyclers and motored bike building.

In rereading (and writing) this for the 3rd time, I find myself coming off arrogant. That is not my intent, or even to be a contributer to such a posting unless invited but helping any way I could. Just really frustrated.

**2door** · #2 (**permalink**) 06-08-2009, 09:41 PM

Dan,
I agree that lately I've been seeing too much mis-information freely given out by people who obviously have limited experience and are often repeating information that they have read with no regards to its validity. Advice to newcomers to the hobby should be as good and accurate as we can provide. Simply telling a newbie to do as I do is not good enough unless what I do has been proven to be the right thing. I always try to suggest remedies, but not preach that my way is the gospel. And while we're on this subject there is another issue that I've been seeing that rubs me the wrong way. That is the practice of some kit/part suppliers answering questions from beginners with, "buy my product". The advertisers on this forum pay to have their banners displayed here and they are all prominently available for everyone to see. There is no reason for a vendor to suggest to a newcomer that he should junk his kit supplied parts in favor of purchasing his. Many people come here for help and information, not to have products shoved down their throats. The question and answer forums are not the place to sell products. If another member has had good luck with a product then by all means he should feel free to tell people about it but the sellers should refrain from pushing their wares to someone simply wanting information. I'll catch some flack for my diatribe here but I doubt that I'm the only one who feels as I do. If you disagree, tell me, if you are in agreement, chime in.
Tom

**Bikeguy Joe** · #3 (**permalink**) 06-09-2009, 10:27 AM

Guy, we mods try to read EVERYTHING. (yes, hard to believe). If you find a post that is wrong info, and there is a way to explain it and correct it, feel free to jump in.

There is a difference between "jumping in" and "piling on".

Also, feel free to report post that are over the top advertising, we will deal with it directly.

Dan · #4 (**permalink**) 06-09-2009, 10:58 AM

I agree big time Tom. After a member who sells a product suggests his/hers, It is uncomfortable to inform the poster of alternatives as well. Limmiting the information they are getting even more.

Joe, you all do great work. I mean that. The intent is not to in any way suggest other wise, but to have a popular, conservative, consensus. Very often a more energetic personality will be louder then a correct statement. The point of the effort of the post would be to have an easy to read and understand for a new person that is agreed on as good information. Not to in any way encroach on or do the great job you guys do. Goal being to lesson the confusion of conflicting, similar and the occasional erroneous.

Would just be a post for easy and reliable reference. Contributed to by a group of builders.

lordoflightaz · #5 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 10:22 AM

For a second I thought I was going to read a "Fox Network" ad.

A lot of time I read things and say to myself, but so and so said xxx. They say there is more than one way to skin a cat. Forums just are no good at being authoritative, because off topic and wrong info happen all the time. Maybe some post need to be moved and locked with the "good stuff"

Dan · #6 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 12:00 PM

Lol Lightaz, took me a bit to catch the reference. Not authoritative, rather just trustworthy. (Fair and unbiased, snork) You are right, many ways to do many things and that could be incorporated in to the post.

But seems to be going over like a lead balloon. Ah well. Seemed like a good idea.

goat herder · #7 (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 02:09 PM

Thanks and hats off to the moderators here. This can be tough work for you guys. This to me has been an outstanding forum! I have never seen a more friendlier place! There is definitely some truth to the potential of bad advice. I like to help when I can. Its fun to give back to such a community. When I think I have the right words for it.

**Bikeguy Joe** · #8 (**permalink**) 06-11-2009, 09:08 AM

I think most bad info is weeded out by everyone on the forum, and B.S.'ers either learn or disappear.

lordoflightaz · #9 (**permalink**) 06-11-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikeguy Joe

I think most bad info is weeded out by everyone on the forum, and B.S.'ers either learn or disappear.

That can't be right I'm still here, LOL.

One thing that would help would be to add in a better search engine function. Like using Yahoo BOSS or Google CSE. I might try messing with BOSS, I already have a CSE for motor bikes.

Dan · #10 (**permalink**) 06-11-2009, 02:44 PM

Yeppers, bad info is most always countered. That's kinda the goal. A non conflicting consensus.