Outlaws in NJ

For Starters, there is no such thing as an 80cc . So.. You may want to pull your head, and once the piston is up far enough to block all the intake and exhaust ports, measure your stroke, then the bore, then do the math and see what your displacement is. I am willing to bet it is way less than 50cc. But check it anyway. Keep in mind for these 2 strokes, you really need to block off the exhaust and intake ports with the piston and then measure stroke. Since displacement is actually a function of volume of air fuel prior to compression. With a 4 stroke, this is the total stroke within a few degrees, since it has valves and the valves will close within a few degrees of BDC. A 2 stroke on the other hand that has no overhead valves, "some 2 strokes do" but not these, and stroke can only be measured once the valves or valve is closed. For these 2 strokes, the piston is actually the valve. so..If you really want to be accurate with any engine and measure displacement, you would find the point at which the engine begins its compression of fuel air mixture. At this point, you would pour in a liquid and fill up the cylinder with this liquid. Making sure to fill the cylinder with this liquid to where the top of the piston stops. Then pour this liquid out of your cylinder and into a graduated cylinder and register cc's. For a 2 stroke that uses the piston as the valve, naturally you would have to have the ports closed in order to contain any liquid so that you can measure cc's. Convention has it that it is the total stroke, which is true for typical 4 strokes. But.. Technically, Displacement is a function of volume prior to compression. So displacement measurement is actually a function of the type of motor or engine and valving. Keep in mind that some pistons are domed or curved and that is why a liquid would be a better measure of displacement. If you measure using mics , rulers and calipers, you could measure the outside of the piston and then the center of the piston and do an average for a more accurate displacement calculation. Or you could derive an f(x) function for the curve and then integrate using calculus . And then do the math. If you do the math and come up with 40cc or so displacement, then the piston curve and other parameters or moot since that puts you well under the 49 or 48 cc requirement for most states. Also.. These are not mopeds. Not even close. Mopeds come with a headlight, tail light, horn ect ect ect to meet DOT regs for day and night street use. A bicycle does not come with these functions or attributes. A bicycle is not considered an on or off road vehicle. It is well... a bicycle. If you add a motor to assist you in pedaling, they are still bicycles according to federal regs. But.. Some states may add laws to these fed regs and in some places may have them out lawed all together. Which is bad news since we all need to conserve fuel as well as save money. I have heard that Canada has passed a motor assisted bicycle law that permits them now through out Canada. Smart Move. When it is smart, it is smart.. Smart thing to do. Ok.. I am long on wind here so I will cork it. All I want to say is.. Ride safe, and.. Enjoy the ride....

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Thanks much thatsdax !

First, This is a really important issue and I did not get an e-mail notification on this !! It is the first and only one I didn't, . . I have received after on another post !! ??

OK, having said that, . .
I don't mind at all you getting long on the subject !

I'm a little worried and am hoping you win the bet regarding under 50cc, as I bought the bike from Kings as an 80cc, so wow, thats a lot of difference, 30 cc's.

Well, I'm looking over the NJ laws, I layed a little rubber a few years ago saying goodnight to the crowd at a local gin mill, and the cops in this shore beach tourist trap were all over me like a cheap suit.

That was a few years ago, sorry I don't have my license back because I still owe the state a surcharge.

Sorry about that, I also do Design R&D for projects the government keeps screwing me on, like Homeland Security, and search and rescue technologies, so I'm a little low on cash, having lost about 200 large, to underhanded Defense Department contractors, and having my credit destroyed.

Therefore this might get a little sticky, but man I gotta get around a little, and I'm getting tired of pedaling.

Anyway, I am thinking that the state, here, defines, what a, Moped" is.

So, if they say that your bike is a moped than thats about it I guess ?

I don't think I'm gonna get around there surcharge thing, as I stopped at the MVD, looking into requirements for moped permits.

At first, I was under the impression that the motorized bike was just what I needed, if you know what I mean.

But now its smokey again.

So, I'll be back at this post, I gotta do a little homework here, to make sure, what I have, . . a motorized bike, a moped or a motorcycle.

I'm still jotting around here and there, Smokey has eyeballed me a time or two, but I guess my hassle is his hassle and it may be that his is bigger than mine so far, so for now I'm trying to avoid him.

I believe that I am also going to have to register this two wheel vehicle, doesn't that mean a title or something, heck I don't think I even have a receipt for the engine!

ghost pedal pass the fuzz " yeah baby yeah"

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OK, I sort of have and remember that ridiculous feeling with the engine still running ! I think I'm gonna have to hook up my kill switch, . . after all thats what it's for isn't it ?

Norman and I were riding our motorized bicycles the other day. We met a city cop and both killed our engines and started pedaling. Norman even waved at the cop. He doubled back on us but we saw him and killed the engines and pedaled again. It was fun.........................

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That is indeed what thye kill switch is for, buy a good one.

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"Insurance is $78.00 a year at this time"
Which carrier are you using to get that rate for a moped/motorized bike?

Love that...."welcome to the gang outlaw."

I live in NY state. I definitely can say I get a little nervous riding down the road but a couple things have helped me:

First, get mirrors. On your glasses or the handle bars or both. If they catch you with the engine on, your busted. Watch and be quick with the kill switch. And always ghost pedal on flats and up hills....looks natural and doesn't draw attention. Plus a little cardio work out never hurt anyone (except Isaac Hayes, may he RIP)

Second, stay at a perceived normal speed. If you are going 35 down the road, you are going to attract attention for sure between the engine whine and smoke. Plus you kinda stand out going that fast. Not to mention you won't have time to discreetly hit the kill switch.

Third, keep everything in perspective....whats the worst that can happen? They impound your bike? Chances are they will let you go with a warning the first time, but even if you get cited and impounded, look at all the money you saved in gas....Hey, you can afford it!

So have fun but just keep it sane and safe. With some good common sense, maybe we can fly under the radar for a while....it would be a shame if we got a bad rap and got publicly banned or something.

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i live in North plainfield, NJ and so far i have not been stopped by the police. But i always start pedaling if i see them near, i tend to take the back streets vs the main roads, and i guess i have just been lucky so far. But it would be nice to have a definitive answer as to what our bikes our considered by the NJDMV so i could ride around town knowing i am 100% illegal or ride around town without fear of losing a bike that i am already about 500 bucks in on and am seriously contemplating the addition of a 200 dollar shifter kit, and pull start. my new addiction.