Ontario Canada, MTO info

Be nice if Ontario had a similar thing on the books but then again it don't really matter because the popular china girl engine kit builds miss even the Alberta rules on four points...

1 - Cubic Centimeters (unless it's a 49cc kit)

2 - Clutch

3 - gearbox

4 - Speed

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1) a 49 cc HT is <50cc
2) a centrifugal clutch with a pullstart is an option on the HT
3) HT's do not have gearboxes.
4) I don't know about you but my 49cc HT (green and black bike not the Felt) tops out at about 35km and it takes forever to get there if I don't pedal. Maybe it is the altitude here. The bike would be faster at sea level.

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Clotho no disrespect but with any of the centrifugal clutch kits on the market added to a HT you still have the stock manual clutch in the system. With the Zoom centrifugal clutch kit that I have the stock manual clutch must be used for starting (unless I add a pull start kit) and also when I shut down the engine I have to disengage the manual clutch or I won't be pedaling very far. All Happy Time's do have a 4:1 reduction gearbox transferring power to the driven wheel, without serious design alterations there is no way we'll ever get around that I'm afraid. IMHO 35 km\h on your 49cc is a safe speed on well maintained roads, hope you still wear a helmet though and use your hand signals etc etc. My Tsunami 80 will easily hit 45 km\h over a distance of about 500 meters but I never go much beyond 30-35 km\h...I feel safe at those speeds and this is where my engine is smoothest as well. When I ride I always wear my helmet which has a rear view mirror attached to it, padded leather palm cycling gloves, full coverage shoes, eye protection etc and I follow the rules of the road for Ontario cyclists to a T for my own safety and to set an example of how we can co exist safely with regular vehicular traffic. I tend to think the Alberta rules were developed with the friction drive kits in mind...hence maybe why they have a picture of what appears to be a rack mounted friction drive bike shown. It's sucky that lawmakers zone in on a particular design when it comes to certain things but then again as educated as the lawmakers in any of our provinces are it would be tough to be up to speed on everything that comes on the market these days.

Cheers and ride safe friend


PS: Was just looking at your Felt...very nice build! Some nice country roads to cruise the day away on out your way it appears too.

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No disrespect taken or intended.

You will be happy to know that I ride in a safe manner and follow the rules of the road. I am the only bicycle rider on the road that understands the use of hand signals it seems. I tend to wear the leather jacket even on hot days and a helmet is a must.

I don't know which kit you have but I have seen ht's with the centrifugal clutch and a pull start that didn't have the clutch lever installed. If you don't install the clutch lever the problem is solved, no more clutch. Do you have to use it when you pull up at a light? If not than the more accurate term for it in this application is engagement lever. On the 4 stroke kits they call this the engager and it performs exactly the same function. It isn't called a clutch because it has a centrifugal clutch performing that operation.

You really seem to be going out of your way to split hairs here. I think we can be pretty confident that that the author was using the term gearbox in the context of a transmission. They simply don't want a powered bike to have more than one gear. The internal operations of the engine (reduction gear) are outside their scope of interest.

The reason for the no clutch is pretty simple. A powered bicycle has a very low age restriction and they want the operation of the bike to be as simple as possible. They also do not want anything to interfere with the riders ability to use hand signals.

The CC limitation and speed over time restriction is straightforward as well. The bike should be tame enough for that same young rider to be able to handle it.

If you ride your bike in a responsible manner and follow the rules of the road you will not have any problems.

P.S. Thank you for your compliment on my Felt! I love to ride that bike in the country.

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In Canada we still tend to use very British terms. In Britian a transmisson is called a gear box which it is. A gear shifter is called is called a gear selector again just what it is.

Since you have the misfortune to still live in Ontario you are stuck with the terms.

Free yourself from the drudgery and move West

Steve. {a free man since 1979}

I have a Tsunami 80 which is just a run of the mill HT and I've fitted it with Zoom's centrifugal clutch kit. I don't need to use the stock friction plate clutch when I stop...it's used only when starting the engine, shutting down or coasting\pedaling faster than the engine is running if it's running. The Zoom clutch has a roller clutch bearing in it...I explained it's operation better in another thread here. Fasteddy is correct, lots of British terminology in our laws Canada wide but I suppose it makes sense seeing as how our legal systems are based on centuries old British common law.

Yea that's pretty much my logic...and I think it's very important we all set a good example because if we don't we'll get outlawed just as fast as the kids terrorizing the streets with pocket bikes were a couple years back.


If it was just me I'd be in BC in a heartbeat so I could see the pacific ocean and the mountains but I have a 7 member family. Uprooting them all from jobs, school, friends, relatives etc etc would not be something that would go over very well at all...lol


Cheers guys and have a great long weekend

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Rockenstein. What a shame. As the sun went down today I faced East and hoisted a pint to you. God Bless.
What part of the old sod?
I was born in Windsor, Lived T.O, Collingwood,Thornbury,Cooksville, Norland, Schomberg. Mostly T.O.

Steve.

i recall someone posted a link to an online petition to legalize mb's in ontario... i signed it, but is there any hope that it will actually get looked at and considered by the government officials?

My plan...I'm building an e-bike that has a on board gas engine/generator. When the batteries die you fire up the gas motor/generator but power to the wheels is still provided by the electric drive motor. Exact same concept as the upcoming Chevy Volt but I will have my creation on the road before GM does and it will probably cost about $45,000.00 less and will get much better mileage. Since the gas engine is not "mechanically" connected to the wheels it is not a "moped" in the eyes of the law...though I am sure I will end up in court at some point proving it!

Hey T.O.,you may have a problem with that set up. It's illegal here in B.C. and if you can't here, there isn't much chance you can there.

Steve.