POPS does not tell us what these 8 people were riding, nor does POPS say what they were charged with. Just because someone is charged with something, doesnt mean they are GUILTY. Thousands of people CHRAGED with something are found NOT GUILTY every day in court. Being CHARGED does not equal being GUILTY.
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Did you catch it?????
No gas powered bicycles!!!!
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Whats a gas powered bicycle? Ive seen motor-assisted bicycle, and Ive seen power-assisted bicycle, but nothing called gas powered bicycles. Why do people allways speak so generally and use slang rather than real language. Are you just learning legalise? Looks like it.
See, heres the problem. When I speak here in this forum about the law, I speak in legal ways, (Rockenstien uses similar language as me and the authority types) I am speaking as BASIC as is humanly possible. With a couple exceptions, you all seem mentally incapable of understanding the basic language, no wonder then when more than just basic legalise is in your enviornment, you get charged and found guilty. You have absoloutly NO idea what you are doing or what you are talking about. In short, you are choosing to remain ignorant of the law by doing so. Consult a lawyer. Cant afford one, then stay off the road, your not qualified to be on it or to even talk to a lawyer, stay at home, go to school, and do as everyone tells you to do.
Me and Rock keep explaining it to you over and over and over again and you just cant seem to grasp the most simplest of concepts. That is a damn shame. There was a nrews report very recently that said 51% of Canadians believe that we directly vote to pick our Prime Minister. 51% of Canadian dont know the law, the votin gprocess, or politics, so Im not surprised, I AM SCARRED for you and for me and for the future.
I said CRIMINAL LAWYERS that are out there, for vehicularly related charges usually charge a flat fee, this flat fee at its most is 5k, and in those cases your looking at vehicular assault and really serious things. Lawyers that practice traffic law, even for the new serious charges of street racing 50Km over, seize you car for 7 days charges only ask a fee of $1,500.00 at the most. Parallegals (who by law now need to be licensed) charge less than half that. So to defend something small in the HTA is a few hundred at most.
Can I ask a question here, is the average age of the members 14 years old? If your past high school, then you should have learned basic law as its a requirement in order to get a high school diploma.
Im getting bored of trying to teach people who are incapable of learning, who insist on using non existant language and or incorrect language. Put down your PSP's and pick up a book.
Those BC people who got busted might not have known what they were talking about, and didnt know what they were doing, and absoloutly didnt know the law. THATS why they got busted.
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seems like there is no 'grey' area at all
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Correct, there is also no such thing as "a loop hole", and no such thing as "a technicality", and no such thing as "grey area". Those are laymen terms for those who dont understand the legal language.
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all the posts above about 'go ahead and ride', then fight them in the courts, just got blown out of the water.
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For the record, I have NEVER EVER told anyone, or even suggested that anyone "go ahead and ride" NEVER. If you know what your doing (and most here dont) you wont even need to go sooooo far as to court. If you need to be defended in court, then that should be the proof that suggest that you have no idea what your doing on the road. And if you dont know what your doing on the road, then ya, maybe, just maybe you deserve to be in court.
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In Ontario where they are all illegal, dude, you wil be charged.
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You sound very shure, so now prove that statement as true
Ahrg, one last time with the dirt bike. If it meets all "motorcycle" and safty equipment, IS registered as a "motorcycle" and IS plated, and IS insured, then YES, it IS a "motorcycle" and no longer a dirt bike as there is NO MTO/legal definition/category for a dirt bike/motorcross. Someone meantioned dirtbike from a lady of the MTO and I clarified it. You quote me and then ask for answers when the answer is in the very thing you quoted. Shows that you fail to understand basic principals of law.
If its indeed a "motorcycle" than thats what you tell the cop, if its not, then dont call it that as you may put yourself in trouble. Once again, each and every single roadside stop is unique. No one single simple answer. Learn the law. If a cop says something that is incorrect, then by all mean correct them.
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We are discussing 80cc china girls on regular bikes, with no paperwork, plates, insurance, class M license , OK?
They are not legal
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Mostly correct there, mostly because your legal terminology is incorrect. They are indeed LEGAL, they are NOT LAWFULL. Legal and lawfull are different animals with different meanings and different characteristics. Learn them, and learn the law.
TOYTIME, in your case, you pleaded guilty, they are not going to try and prove your INNOCENCE (not their job, its yours), esp after you pleaded to GUILTY, wheather you plead down or not. Crown Procecutors offer people plea bargains because it guaranttes them, the courts, the province a 100%conviction of something. ROCK might be correct, why did theyeven bother to offer you a plea bargain? Could it mean that they had little to no evidence against you, but saw you were easy prey? It very well could have. This is normal practise for prosecutors, offer a deal to guarantee 100% conviction on something rather then lose on a more serious higher charge. If you didnt make the deal, you just might have got off scott free, they dont want that. If you dont believe me, make a free call to a traffic defender and ask these ver words "Hi traffic defender, is it true its normal proctise for prosecutors to offer deals to get 100% conviction on something rather than risk losing on the original charge?".
TOYTIME, did you defend yourself in court?
If you want, send me a transcrip copy (you can remove anything in it that identifies you if you like) from the courts about your case. I will review it for free, I may also show it to some lawyers I know to get their take on it. Problem is, you pleaded guilty, so its difficult to appeal, but not impossible. If you plead not guilty and were still convicted, you could appeal based on new evidence and information not available to you at the time (if you had a lawyer, they might not have had your best interests). Again, each and every single case is unique. If you sucessfully appeal, the courts will quash (legal term for erase) your record pertaining to that specific conviction. That would mena that your insurance rates would return to near previous premiums, and your driving record would return to the point previous to the charge.
I make the same offer to everyone whos been convicted riding a bicycle powered otherwise than by muscles, send me court transcrips and I'll review them at no charge. I might find something that could prove your innocence.
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you can't obtain a licence plate for an 80cc china girl,
therefore "not allowed" on any public roadway.
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Not completely true. You can't obtain a license plate for inline skates/skate board/kick scooter, or bicycle either. So does that mean "not allowed" on any public roadway,
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The law is actually very specific, no licence plate, not allowed, period.
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Please show us EXACTLY where its says that ("no licence plate, not allowed, period"), Ive never seen it written anywhere. And yes the law is quite specific, problem is that most here dont understand the specifics. If no plates means not allowed, how are skateboards and bicycles allowed. Your missing a very key element.
I suggest everyone here take an evening school or online course for understanding law.
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what would you have done in his situation to reduce or eliminate such a large ticket?
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It all depends on the particulars, get me all pertinent details and court transcripts and I'll tell you what I might have done.
