Ontario Canada, MTO info

The WANDERER · #31 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:50 PM

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the lady explained that it would similiar fines/charges etc to riding a dirtbike on a city street

It all depends whos doing what with what, and what they say. Each circumstance is unique. She simply gave braod and vauge umbrella generalizations. She did this because she ASSUMES you want TO COMPLY.

Let me provide some further information

Not all dirtbikes are alike. There are dirt bikes on the road LEGALLY, they ARE registered, licensed, plated, insured and meet compliance for equipment and MOTORCYCLE requirements.

Did ya catch it?

If you *modify* a dirt bike by putting on a horn, turn signals, brake light, etc... and plate it, it no longer IS a dirt bike, it IS a MOTORCYCLE. If you reffer to it as a dirt bike and not a motorcycle to a cop, consider yourself ticketed. Call it a motorcycle and you are fine. Choose your words CAREFULLY. It may look like a dirt bike, sound like a dirt bike, ride like a dirt bike, etc... but it is in legal fact NOT a dirt bike any longer.

Are the nurons firing off in your brain yet? Fell the tingle?

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Hey fairracing31, why do you keep deleting and editing soo many posts?

Please let me and eveyone know why (educational reasons so as not to repaet them)

Thnaks.

Rockenstein · #32 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:50 PM

Wow...where did the other posts go? I thought the one where I called the MTO yesterday was relevant?

**fairracing31** · #33 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 06:56 PM

Sent PM......

Rockenstein · #34 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 07:29 PM

An observation I've made, and I pointed this out to another guy, is that for the handful of people that have been in the news with regards to riding a bicycle with an electric or gas motor kit installed all were busted for driving while suspended. With all of the news stories or web postings not once was it mentioned that they were also popped for no insurance, no registration and so on...driving while disqualified was the highlight of the stories.

To me that says something...

Similar things were happening up here when pocket bikes and go peds were all the rage...lots of whining and complaining by the authorities but charges of no insurance, no registration and whatever else was rarely talked about. Toronto city council and some MP's were pushing for on the spot confiscation if riders were caught out on the street with these things but it appeared to be all just a fear propaganda campaign because no provincial legislation was ever passed with regards to confiscation that I'm aware of.

POPS · #35 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 04:23 AM

Well now

Here in Victoria 8 dudes lost there bikes and faced $5000.00 + bucks in fines

DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE!!!

Did you catch it?????
No gas powered bicycles!!!!

It does not matter how you want to WORD your interperation of the LAW...YOUR done like dinner!

Have at it and but I won't go there....good luck......POPS

KW rider · #36 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 10:20 AM

thx POPS,

and i thought gas bicycles were legal in BC, or is that under 50cc?
zoomer bikes out of BC sells 80cc china girls, is this what they were riding?

so, even in a province like BC where motrized bikes are legal, people are charged and fined over 5k.
to fight the fines costs money for a lawyer, public aide or not. a poster said about 5k, now they are up to 10k for a 150 dollar china girl. add in record for riding wih no insurance, no registration, no license, no class M license as others said....
these poor buggers will have to get insurance at a rate over 10k per year for a car. or they may otherwise be deemed uninsurable. (for life)

one would then realize that in Ontario "where even under 50cc are illegal", that you would be charged, fined and more.

seems like there is no 'grey' area at all. all the posts above about 'go ahead and ride', then fight them in the courts, just got blown out of the water.

In BC where some are legal, dudes are being charged.
In Ontario where they are all illegal, dude, you wil be charged.

KW rider · #37 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 10:29 AM

wanderer - "If you *modify* a dirt bike by putting on a horn, turn signals, brake light, etc... and plate it, it no longer IS a dirt bike, it IS a MOTORCYCLE. If you reffer to it as a dirt bike and not a motorcycle to a cop, consider yourself ticketed. Call it a motorcycle and you are fine. Choose your words CAREFULLY. It may look like a dirt bike, sound like a dirt bike, ride like a dirt bike, etc... but it is in legal fact NOT a dirt bike any longer."

Question - is this modified dirt bike that you now call a motorcycle

-insured
-plated
-registered
-motorcycle helmet
-class M licensed driver
-certified road worthy by transport canada (bears the official "road worthy place issued by TC)

or, are you just telling the cop, that it is a motorcycle and he leaves it at that.
No further questions from said police officer?

No license, registration and proof of insurance questions from said officer?
If you answer yes to ALL of the above, then, yes, you are fine.

We are discussing 80cc china girls on regular bikes, with no paperwork, plates, insurance, class M license , OK?

They are not legal...

Rockenstein · #38 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by POPS

Well now

Here in Victoria 8 dudes lost there bikes and faced $5000.00 + bucks in fines

DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE!!!

Did you catch it?????
No gas powered bicycles!!!!

It does not matter how you want to WORD your interperation of the LAW...YOUR done like dinner!

Have at it and but I won't go there....good luck......POPS

Not being rude or anything POPS but BC rules and regulations have zero to do with Ontario, each Canadian province has it's own unique rules and regulations for many things.

Rockenstein · #39 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KW rider

In Ontario where they are all illegal, dude, you wil be charged.

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Originally Posted by KW rider

We are discussing 80cc china girls on regular bikes, with no paperwork, plates, insurance, class M license , OK?

They are not legal...

Can you provide us with something that backs up your claims of not legal/illegal and some examples where persons in Ontario were charged for something other than driving while disqualified while riding a bicycle with an 80cc china girl attached?

Rockenstein · #40 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 04:12 PM

I dug this OPP news release up last night...

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RELEASE: September 21, 2007
Riding a Motorized Bike on a Public Roadway

TIPS:

- If you are riding a motorized bike on a public roadway you will require a valid drivers licence, registered ownership, insurance and a helmet.
- If you are in possession of a motorized bike in which you cannot obtain a licence plate registered with the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario then it is NOT ALLOWED on any public roadway.
- Parents are expected to monitor their children on motorized bikes. It is your responsibility to ensure they are safe.
- Parents of children involved in collisions on public roadways can expect police to enforce any violations of the Highway Traffic Act

Here's a direct link to the page...

OPP News

Notice that not legal or illegal is not in the wording and the term not allowed was used. Also what motorized bikes are they talking about? Are they talking about the ones that the MTO has a peg hole for or are they talking about bikes with an electric or gas motor kit installed? You can't be so vague when it comes to law, all laws are very specific for good reason...judges and the public don't like vague!