New and Alternative Vehicles
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if you ride you will get a ticket for riding an un-registered, un-licensed, un-insured vehicle.
A bicycle that's been modified with one of the popular frame mounted gasoline engine kits on the market in Canada is far from being a moped or motorcycle as per how the MTO or even the federal government describes one and given that how can you be convicted on things that relate to the illegal or improper operation of a motorcycle, moped or whatever else?
Answer - mine is a friction kit, no clutch. it meet the MTO definition perfectly. i have a moped i built. if it has a clutch, it is a motorcycle by definition. it is either a moped or motorcyle. you would register yours as a motorcycle, home-made, clutch gearbox. you would be charged for ridig a motorcycle unregistered, uninsured, no license, no motorcycle license. understand?
It's pretty easy to see and prove that a bicycle that has been modified to use any of the frame mounted gasoline engine kits available in Canada through Zoom Bicycles, Tsunami Bike, Kijiji venders ect is not the same as a factory built moped.
Answer - that is why it is home-made. you ca buy harley kits and they are classed home-made, and hard to insure.
About all we have in common with a factory built moped is pedals!
Answer - that is why it is a moped.
Also when was the last time you seen a motorcycle or motor scooter with pedals and 26" wheels? Fact is we have a reduction gearbox, a hand operated clutch, more than 49cc, 26" wheels, no rear suspension and clearly no moped comes close in function or resemblance. One must also consider that a modified bicycle was originally manufactured and sold as a bicycle, the addition of a gasoline engine kit does not change the fact that it's still a bicycle.
Answer- the addition of the motor makes it either a moped or motorcycle. it is no longer a bicycle as it has a gas motor. if you add an electric hub, then it is an e-bike. has to have under 500 watt motor or you get charged.
I mean if you remove the engine kit what is it? A bicycle?
Answer - yes, the motor is removed, you are correct it is a bicycle. a motorcycle does not have peddles, do not try to confuse the item.
If you remove the engine from a moped or motorcycle does the MTO and HTA still not define it as a moped or motorcycle?
Answer - yes it would be a bicycle as no gas motor
Yes for the purpose of the HTA and the criminal code of Canada a bicycle modified with the addition of a frame mounted gasoline engine kit would be considered a motor vehicle but it is a motor vehicle for which there is currently no definition or classification.
Answer- there clearly is a definition. either a moped or motocyle. since there is a definition and class, you need to register and insure.
No definition or classification makes registering it, insuring it and whatever else not readily available and if none of those things are readily available how have you broken any laws? Being issued a ticket or summons implies that you have broken the law and it's up to the crown and the police to prove that you have indeed broken the law, any lawyer will tell you this. Many hours of research and consultation with the MTO have proven that there are no laws in Ontario for or against the use of a bicycle that has been modified with the addition of the frame mounted gasoline engine kits that are readily available to the Canadian public from the Canadian sources I mentioned. If you have information that says otherwise please post it so others can read it and interpret it.
Answer- everything you just said is negated bythe fact there is a definition and class.
I talked to MTO special inquiry unit and the enforcement unit. both said i have a moped friction drive, no clutch.
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the 80cc bikes from BC are illegal in ontario, as are the other chinese 80/66cc bikes
it has to be stamped under 49cc
Hogwash, there are no laws on the books in Ontario that say such things...if you have info that says otherwise please post it!
Answer- a moped by definition is under 50cc, it is a low speed moped. over 50cc it is a high speed moped capable of over 50kmh but under 70kmh. if it goes over 70 then it is a motorcycle.
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when you get insurance you have to tell them it is a "home-made" moped.
have fun finding an insurer.
so far no one will insure that i can find.
I've said it before and I'll say it again if you want to operate a moped, motor scooter or a motorcycle in Ontario your better off to buy one as opposed to trying to build one at home...you'll save yourself a big bunch of headaches.
Answer - then you agree that it is a moped friction drive. why did you agree saying it was not, then now , state that it is a moped.
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i am currently registering and insuring mine.
Trying to register a bicycle that's been modified with one of the frame mounted gasoline engine kits with the MTO as a home built moped is a scam waiting to be uncovered that's likely to land you in a heap of trouble! You can't change the fact that you have a hand operated clutch and a reduction gearbox
Answer - no, i do not have a gearbox nor a clutch, it is a friction drive kit.
stamping an engine "49cc" that was sold to you as an 80cc is an act of fraud. Ever notice that when you file paper work with the MTO your signature swears that all information provided is truthfull? They have some fairly severe penalties if they find out you have provided them with untruthful information.
Answer - mine is 33cc, stamped on motor, there is no fraud.
i am 42 years old, how old r u?
