Ontario Canada, MTO info

i thought the limit was 50cc, mine is 49cc.

where do you go to register it and what kind of documents do you need to have?

Mike, that info is so wrong. If it has a motor, it is a motorized vehicle. There is no grey area, period! Even that "under 50cc" thing is only in the States. Think about it, do you really think you could drive a 49cc mini bike down the streets because it's under 50cc? Trust me, I know. Only electric is allowed and even that may change due to those scooter style bikes that have peddles to stay within the laws. They say they really can't be peddled and are just 'bending the rules"
As for you asking about building a Moped and getting it plated, it's very possible if that is what you want to do. You would have to have all the bells and whistles that it takes to certify any motorcycle though. If you had a pal who would give you a "blind safety" (without looking at the bike) and registered as "home made" you may have better luck.
In the end, a $600 scooter would be more easy on both your wallet and your nerves, I think. Bottom line is that you Live in Toronto and you should know by now that anything fun is banned or taxed to death! That is the most anal city in the world

i got this from the ontario ministry of transportation website, if its wrong then where do i get the correct info?

the bike im building meets all of these requirements except for hand operated clutch, does this mean i can't register it?

But you still have to fall under the ministries rules so I don't really get your point-sorry.
To build this bike you would have to say that it was built before 1998.

"if the motorcycle was manufactured on, or after, September 1, 1988, it must have affixed a compliance label required under the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) that identifies the motor vehicle as a limited-speed motorcycle"
And then there is this:
"A limited-speed motorcycle must meet vehicle requirements as defined under the federal Motor Vehicle Safety Act (MVSA)."

...and if it's a hard tail frame bike your likely SOL too.

Ever seen a moped or motorcycle in Ontario without rear shocks? There's a reason you don't see rigid frame mopeds or choppers on Ontario's roads, the guys that build custom motorcycles have been ranting about it for years. If you do manage to get the thing reg'd with the MTO your next hurdle will be insurance...

If you want a bonafied moped just go buy one...they are cheap these days! Lot's of them listed on Kijiji for less than a grand.

In Ontario it's not illegal to customize a bicycle that was manufactured as a bicycle with the addition of a motor...matter of fact there are no laws that make reference to such a creation. A moped was manufactured as a moped though, you can take the engine off and pedal it down the road but it's still a moped

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well, thanks for advice, looks i'll be riding dirty this summer. wasn't there a thing on the news a while ago where a guy got ticketed something 700 bucks riding one of these... even if i was able to register and insure, it would still come out to cost a similar amount, might as well take my chances.

i think ill be alright though, ive got some stealthy routes planned out.

Was it this guy? He made the Ontario wide headlines recently.

GuelphMercury.com - News - Man busted while riding hybrid bicycle


Was another guy down around Hamilton that made the news too not so long ago. I can't find the story anymore but anyway he suffered some pretty serious head injuries. He apparently wasn't wearing a helmet, crossed some railway tracks and went down...story went on about how he was riding a bicycle that was modified with a small gasoline engine, buyers beware and so on.


IMHO if your out on the road riding respectable, minding your speeds and in general just not being a hazard to yourself or the public you'll likely not be bothered much. Electric bicycle users in Ontario were in the same predicament as us up until 3 years ago...they rode respectfully, plead their case to the government and v'ola most ebikes are on the books in Ontario now. Alberta has laws on the books with regards to powered bicycles, I see no reason why the same can't be done in Ontario if we behave ourselves.

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does anyone have any experience dealing with police while riding a motorized bicycle

i am in ontario, so will share what i found from police, mto and insurance company.

the motor has to be under 49cc, registered as a home-made moped in ontario, and insured.
you also need a limited speed motor license- lsm, motorcycle helmet etc....

written test, then 90 days as class m1, minimum 22 months class m2, then you get a lsm license.

i am currently registering and insuring mine.

if you ride you will get a ticket for riding an un-registered, un-licensed, un-insured vehicle.

mega fines(+10,000-25,000), and you car insurance will sky-rocket for the infractions, PLUS lose huge demerit points.

possibly even jail time if they get you on all three offences. other provinces it is no license no insurance, ontario is different.

i learned this after ordering, installing and riding mine for 4 months.
ps

when you get insurance you have to tell them it is a "home-made" moped.
have fun finding an insurer.
so far no one will insure that i can find.

if you do not declare as home-made, your insurance is void.
the 80cc bikes from BC are illegal in ontario, as are the other chinese 80/66cc bikes
it has to be stamped under 49cc

enjoy.
al

A bicycle that's been modified with one of the popular frame mounted gasoline engine kits on the market in Canada is far from being a moped or motorcycle as per how the MTO or even the federal government describes one and given that how can you be convicted on things that relate to the illegal or improper operation of a motorcycle, moped or whatever else? It's pretty easy to see and prove that a bicycle that has been modified to use any of the frame mounted gasoline engine kits available in Canada through Zoom Bicycles, Tsunami Bike, Kijiji venders ect is not the same as a factory built moped. About all we have in common with a factory built moped is pedals! Also when was the last time you seen a motorcycle or motor scooter with pedals and 26" wheels? Fact is we have a reduction gearbox, a hand operated clutch, more than 49cc, 26" wheels, no rear suspension and clearly no moped comes close in function or resemblance. One must also consider that a modified bicycle was originally manufactured and sold as a bicycle, the addition of a gasoline engine kit does not change the fact that it's still a bicycle. I mean if you remove the engine kit what is it? A bicycle? If you remove the engine from a moped or motorcycle does the MTO and HTA still not define it as a moped or motorcycle? Yes for the purpose of the HTA a bicycle modified with the addition of a frame mounted gasoline engine kit might be considered a motor vehicle but would it not be a motor vehicle for which there is currently no definition or classification? No definition or classification makes registering it, insuring it and whatever else not readily available and if none of those things are readily available how have you broken any laws? Being issued a ticket or summons implies that you have broken the law and it's up to the crown and the police to prove that you have indeed broken the law, any lawyer will tell you this. Many hours of research and consultation with the MTO have proven that there are no laws in Ontario for or against the use of a bicycle that has been modified with the addition of the frame mounted gasoline engine kits that are readily available to the Canadian public from the Canadian sources I mentioned. If you have information that says otherwise please post it so others can read it and interpret it.


Hogwash, there are no laws on the books in Ontario that say such things...if you have info that says otherwise please post it!


I've said it before and I'll say it again if you want to operate a moped, motor scooter or a motorcycle in Ontario your better off to buy one as opposed to trying to build one at home...you'll save yourself a big bunch of headaches.


Trying to register a bicycle that's been modified with one of the frame mounted gasoline engine kits with the MTO as a home built moped is a scam waiting to be uncovered that's likely to land you in a heap of trouble! You can't change the fact that you have a hand operated clutch and a reduction gearbox...stamping an engine "49cc" that was sold to you as an 80cc is an act of fraud. Ever notice that when you file paper work with the MTO your signature swears that all information provided is truthfull? They have some fairly severe penalties if they find out you have provided them with untruthful information.

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