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| | | | Laws and Legislation Share you knowledge of the laws pertaining to your state on motorized bicycling in this forum | Im Going Legal in PA Discussion at Motorized Bicycle Engine Kit Forum in the Laws and Legislation forum. Also a trying to get a registration in PA. Once I found an enhanced Inspection station that would do it ...  | | 
07-29-2008, 08:20 PM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: PA
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA Also a trying to get a registration in PA. Once I found an enhanced Inspection station that would do it they did not know what the bike would need. Not all stations do bikes. So I got tired of waiting for them to find out after three weeks from the DMV and I spent hours calling around till I finally got a call back from the DMV Special Services Department. The women told me the bike will need headlight ok, brakes ok, turn signals no problem, rear view mirror ok, and now for the kicker DOT approved tires. Well then I searched from here to mumbles Ville and I’ve been told no one makes such a thing in a bike tire. I even check with Continental tire in Germany. Anybody know any different or have an idea. | 
08-12-2008, 10:57 AM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jul 2008
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA So I am confused. On PENNDOT's Fact Sheet for Mopeds, Motor-Driven Cycles, and Motorcycles, the following is stated at the bottom:
NOTE: Motorized pedalcycles and side-cars for motorcycles are not titled in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
So if they are not titled, they cannot be registered. If they cant be registered they cant be inspected and/or insured.
Anyone else following my line of thinking here? | 
08-12-2008, 12:23 PM
|  | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: PENSACOLA, FL
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA THEY RUN YOU IN CIRCLES!  WHAT`S A GIRL TO DO ?? PHOTO COPY ALL YOUR RESEARCH, CARRY A BRIEF CASE AND IF YOU GET STOPPED, HAND THE MAN THE BOOK?? ASK HIM TO CONTACT YOU WHEN HE HAS THE CORRECT ANSWERS. THIS KIND OF THING CAUSES FOREHEAD WRINKLES!! LIKE IN CLINT EASTWOOD- JOSEY WALES, THE OLD INDIAN, "ENDEAVOR TO PERSEVERE". ONCE YOU GET IT DONE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A FEELING OF VICTORY! GOOD LUCK  RON
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08-12-2008, 12:31 PM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jul 2008
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA I am just going to keep a copy of the PENNDOT Fact Sheet in my wallet and show it to them if I ever get stopped. As long as I follow the rules of normal bicyclers and am not riding in traffic, I think I will be OK. | 
08-12-2008, 12:50 PM
|  | Master Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: PENSACOLA, FL
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA Vcm5150------your Post #22, Looks Like The Answer To Me, That Should Cover It. It`s Like, The Rite Hand Doesn`t Know What The Left Hand Is Doing.
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08-12-2008, 04:47 PM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: PA
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA Yes any motor drive vehicle must be registered in PA to be driven on the road.
Been in contact several times with the PA DMV and just brought my bike back after two weeks at an enhanced inspection station. Which I’ve been informed it must comply with chapter J of the Vehicle equipment and Inspection Regulations. http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms...section_jk.pdf
One of the out standing point is it must have min.7500 candlepower low beam and min. 10,000 c.p. high beam. In the process of meeting all their demands know. Hope to be done in two weeks then I’ll return the bike to try again for a reconstructed title. Cause there lies the problem; it can’t be registered till it has a title. I’ll keep you all up dated and with pictures. You’re going to love this one. They haven’t beaten me yet! | 
08-13-2008, 01:04 AM
|  | Senior Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oswego, NY
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA Quote:
Originally Posted by yodabob Yes any motor drive vehicle must be registered in PA to be driven on the road.
Been in contact several times with the PA DMV and just brought my bike back after two weeks at an enhanced inspection station. Which I’ve been informed it must comply with chapter J of the Vehicle equipment and Inspection Regulations. http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms...section_jk.pdf
One of the out standing point is it must have min.7500 candlepower low beam and min. 10,000 c.p. high beam. In the process of meeting all their demands know. Hope to be done in two weeks then I’ll return the bike to try again for a reconstructed title. Cause there lies the problem; it can’t be registered till it has a title. I’ll keep you all up dated and with pictures. You’re going to love this one. They haven’t beaten me yet! | If I send you my bike with all the required upgrades implemented, would you be willing to register it as a moped and "sell' it back to me to register in NY? For a fee? Say $75.00 plus expenses? Think about it and see how yours goes first then get back to me ok? Scott | 
08-13-2008, 01:59 PM
| | Motorized Bicycle Apprentice | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Central PA
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA Quote:
Originally Posted by vmc5150 So I am confused. On PENNDOT's Fact Sheet for Mopeds, Motor-Driven Cycles, and Motorcycles, the following is stated at the bottom:
NOTE: Motorized pedalcycles and side-cars for motorcycles are not titled in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
So if they are not titled, they cannot be registered. If they cant be registered they cant be inspected and/or insured.
Anyone else following my line of thinking here? | The fact sheet you are looking at is probably the older one dated 2004. There is an updated sheet on PennDot's site at PENNDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Motorized Scooters (dated March 2007) where they have removed Motorized Pedalcycles from the note. Even though both 'Motorized Pedalcycle' and 'MOPED' (MOtorized PEDalcycle) are used in the statutes, I believe PennDot considers all of them MOPEDs.
That being said, I would love to get a distinction made as I personally consider them to be very different animals.
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08-14-2008, 12:05 AM
| | Motorized Bicycle Builder | | Join Date: Jul 2008
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| | Re: Im Going Legal in PA well guys i have some very bad news.... it can not be done in PA i found a snag... the guy that was going to inspect by bike so i can get my title found out when he called the state that my bike has to have a DOT frame tires wheels and forks blah blah blah... and unless i make 30 bikes and stress test them with the government im out of luck... now i am back to the drawing board because i do not want to give up since i built a bike with turn signals, horn, mirrors, head light, working break light, and a kick stand and 50cc engine (about $600)... so the main thing is to get a title and im ready to regester... so does any one no of a way to get one in a close state and then transfer it to PA so i can register it... | 
08-14-2008, 12:33 AM
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