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Old 03-24-2009, 08:12 PM
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...I am new to this "concept" and this is the place to learn...alternatively get a little confused as well. (I know this has been asked in many forms but the answers seem to skirt the issue a bit.) I'm new to "motorized bicycles" for many reasons, retro appeal etc..but I would like to start from the perspective that I dont want a regular "moped" like the Tomos or others...I want a frame mounted motorized bicycle, (to resemble the early board track bikes), I want to commute at least 30 miles round trip 3-4 days a week @ 30 mph avg speed (up to 40-45 to accelerate), I weigh 200lbs and will be carrying a courrier bag w/me: specifically do I want a 2 or 4 stroke, how many CC's, and who makes the kit for me to start my build....please I've overthought this to exhaustion and need direction...
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Old 03-25-2009, 11:22 AM
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Welcome Slick Vixen, I'll do my best to help you out. Good luck in finding answers you need and have fun!
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Old 03-25-2009, 01:14 PM
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Welcome to the forum. It's probably better that we tell you what we have and how well it works for us, rather than advising you on what to buy.
I have a 48cc 2 stroke frame-mounted on a chromo mountain bike. It carries my 200lb body on a 50 mile round trip commute at well over 100 mpg. However, AZ law limits me to 20mph (unless I want to get a tag, MC license and ride in the traffic lanes).

If you want to go 45mph, I would get a sprocket the bolts to a rear disk brake hub or use a hi-hat sprocket adapter on a rear disk wheel. It is difficult to install a clamp-on rear sprocket without some wobble. That wobble gets scary above 30mph.
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Old 03-25-2009, 04:10 PM
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...thanks for the input, it clarifies something I saw in a diagram on one of the sites....thanks
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Old 03-25-2009, 04:36 PM
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in frame 2-strokes are the thing to have right now many new improvements are in the works but the parts to make it reliable are available now.

First if your going to be on the road that much stick with what is legal in your area in most cases a 49cc

Second is the sprocket mounting wheelbender is right i might suggest a hub sprocket adapter such as found here
MANIC Mechanic Parts.htm

Or for that much riding get a Sick Bike Parts shifter Kit found here
Sick Bike Parts LLC - Motor Kits for Your Bicycle

Third Brakes you need em and good ones at that. Front and back brakes on the road is a must.

Always carry a repair kit with you including an extra CDI box flat repair and the tools you need to fix it.

These are the things i can think of for now....good luck
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:01 PM
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...one of the issues I am "overthinking" is the 2 stroke 4 stroke dilema, the second is I keep coming across the Chinese engines as being unreliable and the 2 stroke 49 cc engines almost all seem to be made in China. So my thinking has been towards a 4 stroke as far as reliability, low maintenence and stopping for gas without having to mix...Is thera 49 cc, 4 stoke frame mounted kit that is not Chinese made?
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:22 PM
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i have heard many complaints over the gear boxes on in frame 4 strokes you could go with a rack mount if you want reliability of a 4 stroke. I put many miles on my inframe 2 stroke once you get the failure points out of the kit they do pretty well i ride mine for transportation.
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HT motor testing
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Old 03-25-2009, 05:31 PM
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My ultimate goal here goes beyond the personal requirements I listed...I would ultimately like to identify an engine kit, a strong steel frame with the neccessary upgrades to make available a "motorized bike complete" for a market overseas. The issues of reliability are paramount, steep inclines and long decents (great brakes) and ease of repair and parts availibility...I already have access to this market and the fact that this is "green" transportation and relatively inexpensive (accessable) makes this an awesome product to provide....Obviously if I could wade through the discrepancies and find the best overall combo of performance and value I would need a reliable supplier of both kits, upgrades and parts and preferably the frame supplier as well....my personal requirements are not neccessarily those of the end product but are a starting point and my personal prototype if you will....any addl. thoughts
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:18 PM
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Just curious Slick Vixen, how much mechanical experience do you have and will you
have tools to work on and service your motor bike ? Will you have someone
available who could help with this ?

A 4 cycle motor may require you to adjust the valves occasionally, where a 2 cycle
doesn't have valves. Likewise with changing oil in the crankcase. 2 cycle engines
don't require oil changes like the 4 cycles. The 2 cycles are considered by many to
be more care free overall where the 4 cycles may weigh more, require more periodic
maintenance but have a longer lifespan. Still the 2 cycle motors are reporting as much
as 15,000 miles before they are worn out. Most of these motors are using CDI ignitions now
so you won't have to know how to replace points and condensor and adjusting the timing each
tune up, leaving only the periodic adjustment of the spark plug gap.

The 2 cycle engines are light & powerful for their size not to mention relatively inexpensive.
The kits will provide about everything you need and should you have a total engine failure
a replacement motor (just the motor only) may cost $80+ dollars. There are recoil start
attachments available (like a lawnmower has) and a centrifugal clutch kit too to make riding
more like having an automatic transmission. (so you can pedal the bike to get it rolling and
then apply power for a smooth take off)

The 3 most consistant CON's about these 2 cycle Chinese frame mount motors I've read here
in the last 8 months are: 1) replace the chain that comes with it with a higher quality chain,
as the OEM's are prone to breaking. 2) Replace the sparkplug wire with a higher quality ignition
wire. (you can buy it by the foot at NAPA auto supply) 3) the chain tensioner "idler" tends to be a weak design and source of chain failure, so consider a better after market tensioner. These
suggestions are things "I" would definately do myself to have a safe dependable bike with a
much lower breakdown ratio.

It may be wise, if you have a regular car, to have a bumper mounted bicycle rack where you
could transport the bike with the car. Should you break down too far from home to pedal back
or find yourself in changing weather, you could leave the bike somewhere safe, get a ride to your car, come back and
mount the bike to the car and continue on home.

No matter how much you've read about the motors, kits, and bicycle designs it's prudent to
know Florida's laws (assuming your "Miami" is in Florida) so it can be your best counsel as
to what is allowed & legal where you live.

Florida moped laws

All the states laws:

Moped Laws by state
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:28 PM
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...for myself I have enough experience and skill to be able to follow instructions, generally I am a resonably skilled do-it-yourselfer...some of the things you guys discusss on this forum are way above my comprehension, I am a good troubleshooter, I have built many bicycles (current) and a few mini bikes back in the day....its definitely a hobby/interest that I am going to imerse myself in, I cant tell you how "happy" I was when I first found this site and subsequent sites on the internet.....as far as the further goal goes the market I see for this is one that is dear to my heart....it is not a huge commercial market, the people are relatively poor and disposable income is limited....it is a country where people take great pride in there things and a motorized bicycle would greatly benefit them, as well as being a "green" form of transport, which is very important......however my first concern is to find the right "machine" for me and then assess its value as a form of transport to others later... by the way I am refering to Dominica and Grenada in the Caribbean wher I have family...and I think these motorized bikes would be awesome....
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