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Discussion at Motorized Bicycle Engine Kit Forum in the High Performance Bicycle Engine Tips forum. Ok Norman..........here's the spec's on my motor. I used the online Java based expansion chamber software to ...
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Old 09-23-2008, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: another home made pipe

Ok Norman..........here's the spec's on my motor. I used the online Java based expansion chamber software to arrive at these calculations. Not sure about the exhaust gas temp value.

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First is the exhaust gasket.

Second is the screen shot of the calculations with the chamber laid straight..

Third is the chamber folded to mount to the front wheel fork.


The 21 mm pipe that welds to the exhaust flange has a circumfrence of 66 mm. while the perimeter of the rectangular exhaust port is 60 mm. I'm figuring a piece of metal bar would be formed to a rectangle with the measurements of 22 X 12 mm for using to form the 21 mm pipe to a rectangular end for welding to the flange. If that first piece of 21 mm tube were cut and swedged open 27 mm long then the other portion would fit inside it by 25 mm. That allowance would increase the first tube to 264 mm from 212 mm.

That would also allow the chamber to be moved to it's best mounting position beside the front wheel. But that's making the best of a 1317 mm (or 52 inch) chamber on a front engine friction drive 22 cc motor.

........and before anyone says anything I'm sure the cones are going to be below the machine limitations of any slip roller known to man.

The front cone would be formed with a 66 mm X 317 mm X 129 mm cone blank and the aft cone would be formed with a 38 mm X 110 mm X 129 mm cone blank.

But that just about builds it on paper. Just not sure about that exhaust stack temp...as it could make the chamber even longer if that value is too low.

The tech specs for this motor states it developes 1 hp at 6500 rpm's.
The software lays out the last screen shot for about 14,000 rpm and is a better length 26 1/2 inch total length. (and best suited to a motor between 21.9 and 38.4 cm/3 ) I'm still questioning the feasabliity of the solutions this designing software offers. So I think I'll try some other ap's to see what they come up with.

I'm sure if I painted the Chamber a bright brass color some would think it's a musical instrument I'm packing along.
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Old 09-24-2008, 07:17 PM
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Hey could you convert all that to inches? i'm not much for the metric system but if forced to I can use it. I have a tuned pipe for a 49cc scooter that makes it really go I wonder if it would work on your bikes engine? Its sort of coiled up looking I 'll have to post a picture of it. I could send it to you to try and if it works good I could copy it and we wouldn't have to worry about a flex joint. Or I can copy it and send the copy to you and if it works great you can keep it and if it don't send it back or pitch it.
It will be a while before I can start on the pipe I'm going to be out of town this week end and when I get back I go on call/**** week.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:05 PM
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Default I put this on the expansion chamber thread too

the pic is better suited here
I totally winged this one & its my third pipe on this bike also the best looking
the center section is probably a bit long but I can allways cut it down & weld it back together
take care
JAK
edit: I ended up making a quieter muffler
the tubing ID is about 5/8 inch but the tube is pinched almost shut inside the casing with many holes on either side of the pinch
I think it flows much better then the stock one did & is still pretty quiet
it dosent sound as cool as it did with the one in the pic on there but it was too loud & I think probably lacked backpressure
take care

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